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	<title>Comments on: They&#8217;re Anti Capitalist Protesters?</title>
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		<title>By: Charlotte Gore</title>
		<link>http://charlottegore.com/2009/04/01/theyre-anti-capitalist-protestors.html/comment-page-1#comment-1361</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlotte Gore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 13:09:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes indeed.

I remember having a chat with a Socialist friend, and gave the example of boats. Boats are labour intensive to make, require a lot of materials and engineering skill, and ultimately a small boat builder might only be able to make a handful a year, if that. 

How do you decide who gets a boat? Simple, money decides... you set the price at a level at which the boat sells and there&#039;s exactly one person who wants that particular boat at that particular price. 

Capitalism&#039;s great, I said, because it allows us to have boats (if we can afford them).

My Socialist friend replied, Ah, but under socialism, you&#039;d have the time to build your own boat and it would be shared with the community so everyone would have access to sailing.

That really sticks in my head as the day I realised Socialism was mad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes indeed.</p>
<p>I remember having a chat with a Socialist friend, and gave the example of boats. Boats are labour intensive to make, require a lot of materials and engineering skill, and ultimately a small boat builder might only be able to make a handful a year, if that. </p>
<p>How do you decide who gets a boat? Simple, money decides&#8230; you set the price at a level at which the boat sells and there&#8217;s exactly one person who wants that particular boat at that particular price. </p>
<p>Capitalism&#8217;s great, I said, because it allows us to have boats (if we can afford them).</p>
<p>My Socialist friend replied, Ah, but under socialism, you&#8217;d have the time to build your own boat and it would be shared with the community so everyone would have access to sailing.</p>
<p>That really sticks in my head as the day I realised Socialism was mad.</p>
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		<title>By: Blackacre</title>
		<link>http://charlottegore.com/2009/04/01/theyre-anti-capitalist-protestors.html/comment-page-1#comment-1360</link>
		<dc:creator>Blackacre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 13:04:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn - North Briton got ahead of me on my observation when looking at the demo in front of the Bank of England yesterday that an awful lot of them have expensive looking Canon and Nikon digital cameras.  They would only get those at an affordable price with the benefit of capitalism and free trade.  Contradictions abound in the happy world of the anti-caps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn &#8211; North Briton got ahead of me on my observation when looking at the demo in front of the Bank of England yesterday that an awful lot of them have expensive looking Canon and Nikon digital cameras.  They would only get those at an affordable price with the benefit of capitalism and free trade.  Contradictions abound in the happy world of the anti-caps.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlotte Gore</title>
		<link>http://charlottegore.com/2009/04/01/theyre-anti-capitalist-protestors.html/comment-page-1#comment-1351</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlotte Gore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 09:52:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charlie, exactly the same question that crosses my mind all the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charlie, exactly the same question that crosses my mind all the time.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlotte Gore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlotte Gore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 09:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn&#039;t agree more. Thanks very much for that Tristan. Makes perfect sense.

It&#039;s the old problem of useless labels again. Is this an English Language problem, that words mean whatever people want them to mean?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t agree more. Thanks very much for that Tristan. Makes perfect sense.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the old problem of useless labels again. Is this an English Language problem, that words mean whatever people want them to mean?</p>
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		<title>By: Tristan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tristan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 09:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Depends what you mean by capitalism.
The historical use of the term capitalism has nothing to do with free markets. Its the system of ownership of the means of production by an oligarchy who use force (usually through the state) to achieve and maintain that position.

Capitalism meaning free markets is a modern redefinition of the term, and one rejected by most on the anti-capitalist left (although sadly many conflate free markets with currently existing markets - having been encouraged to by the anti-free market right).

Add in that the existing economic system is not a system of free markets, but a system of state/business rule where the two are now so intertwined that they are difficult to separate.
Its the system of regulation to eliminate competition and induce &#039;stability&#039; for elites whilst ensuring the rest of the population is kept at a comfortable minimum standard of living through welfare to prevent redistribution of power along more liberal, egalitarian lines.

For most people, capitalism and free markets are what we have now, which is what is not working.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Depends what you mean by capitalism.<br />
The historical use of the term capitalism has nothing to do with free markets. Its the system of ownership of the means of production by an oligarchy who use force (usually through the state) to achieve and maintain that position.</p>
<p>Capitalism meaning free markets is a modern redefinition of the term, and one rejected by most on the anti-capitalist left (although sadly many conflate free markets with currently existing markets &#8211; having been encouraged to by the anti-free market right).</p>
<p>Add in that the existing economic system is not a system of free markets, but a system of state/business rule where the two are now so intertwined that they are difficult to separate.<br />
Its the system of regulation to eliminate competition and induce &#8216;stability&#8217; for elites whilst ensuring the rest of the population is kept at a comfortable minimum standard of living through welfare to prevent redistribution of power along more liberal, egalitarian lines.</p>
<p>For most people, capitalism and free markets are what we have now, which is what is not working.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 08:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with regulation is that it requires politicians and civil servants to understand what they are regulating and the likely unintended consequences of their actions. I agree with Cherie Blair, Brown is not as nearly intelligent as he thinks he is.  There is nothing he has done over the last 12 years where I can think he has produced good quality legislation. Brown can produce quantity, not quality. Compared to many academics, Newton , Einstein and Darwin never wrote that much, but what they did produce demonstrated a profound insight into the universe. Regulations become a job creation scheme for the mediocre unless one is very wise. 

Wen the American Constitution was written, America was fortunate to be have some exceptionally able people . There is no evidence that any country since has had such able people to write an constitution.

Regulation is likley to become a massive job creation scheme for the mediocre- where is the modern day Jefferson, Washington, Adams,Lincoln, Churchill, Gladstone, Lloyd George, Atlee, Keynes ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with regulation is that it requires politicians and civil servants to understand what they are regulating and the likely unintended consequences of their actions. I agree with Cherie Blair, Brown is not as nearly intelligent as he thinks he is.  There is nothing he has done over the last 12 years where I can think he has produced good quality legislation. Brown can produce quantity, not quality. Compared to many academics, Newton , Einstein and Darwin never wrote that much, but what they did produce demonstrated a profound insight into the universe. Regulations become a job creation scheme for the mediocre unless one is very wise. </p>
<p>Wen the American Constitution was written, America was fortunate to be have some exceptionally able people . There is no evidence that any country since has had such able people to write an constitution.</p>
<p>Regulation is likley to become a massive job creation scheme for the mediocre- where is the modern day Jefferson, Washington, Adams,Lincoln, Churchill, Gladstone, Lloyd George, Atlee, Keynes ?</p>
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		<title>By: Charlotte Gore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlotte Gore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 08:21:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NB, I saw the Who Is John Galt sign on the BBC too. ;)

Stu, where do I sign up to become one of the watery bints? What a job!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NB, I saw the Who Is John Galt sign on the BBC too. <img src='http://charlottegore.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Stu, where do I sign up to become one of the watery bints? What a job!</p>
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		<title>By: Stu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 08:09:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if you&#039;d be interested in &lt;a href=&quot;http://twitter.com/stuartsharpe/status/1432052710&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;my proposed positive solution to replacing capitalism&lt;/a&gt;?

It appears that there &lt;em&gt;were&lt;/em&gt; peaceful protesters in London yesterday, in a &#039;Climate Camp&#039;, but the police didn&#039;t attack them or cordon them off so we didn&#039;t see them on the news. Funny how the police only seem to go for the ones who are smashing up buildings...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if you&#8217;d be interested in <a href="http://twitter.com/stuartsharpe/status/1432052710" rel="nofollow">my proposed positive solution to replacing capitalism</a>?</p>
<p>It appears that there <em>were</em> peaceful protesters in London yesterday, in a &#8216;Climate Camp&#8217;, but the police didn&#8217;t attack them or cordon them off so we didn&#8217;t see them on the news. Funny how the police only seem to go for the ones who are smashing up buildings&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: The North Briton</title>
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		<dc:creator>The North Briton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 08:08:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and my Randian Leeds barrister friend text me to say she saw someone with a &#039;who is John Galt?&#039; sign on the BBC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and my Randian Leeds barrister friend text me to say she saw someone with a &#8216;who is John Galt?&#8217; sign on the BBC.</p>
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		<title>By: The North Briton</title>
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		<dc:creator>The North Briton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 08:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a wide-eyed seventeen year old I took part, &#039;No Logo&#039; in hand, in a few of the more minor G7 demonstrations all that time ago. And god damn, there wasn&#039;t half the amount digital SLR cameras, video phones and camcorders being waved by protestors back then. Damn capitalism...

(Yours is the first blogroll I&#039;ve been added to I think, thanks! Even if it is under the heading &#039;not yet lib dem&#039;. Tssk ; )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a wide-eyed seventeen year old I took part, &#8216;No Logo&#8217; in hand, in a few of the more minor G7 demonstrations all that time ago. And god damn, there wasn&#8217;t half the amount digital SLR cameras, video phones and camcorders being waved by protestors back then. Damn capitalism&#8230;</p>
<p>(Yours is the first blogroll I&#8217;ve been added to I think, thanks! Even if it is under the heading &#8216;not yet lib dem&#8217;. Tssk ; )</p>
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