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	<title>Comments on: Tough On Wealth. Tough on the Causes of Wealth</title>
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		<title>By: FHAgov</title>
		<link>http://charlottegore.com/2009/04/22/tough-on-wealth-tough-on-the-causes-of-wealth.html/comment-page-1#comment-14525</link>
		<dc:creator>FHAgov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2010 17:18:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice post... Does anyone have any updates on Obama&#039;s plans for FHA in 2010?  I heard they were supposed to be making changes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post&#8230; Does anyone have any updates on Obama&#8217;s plans for FHA in 2010?  I heard they were supposed to be making changes.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Otten</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Otten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 21:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to the BBC, the government is only paying half the £2000, and industry is expected to find the rest!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8011882.stm

That&#039;s what the car industry needs an extra £1000 banger scrappage tax. Or something to muck up its pricing strategy.

Unfortunately the Mondeo is only 9 years old come March 2010. I will have to hang on to it in the hope the scheme is extended.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to the BBC, the government is only paying half the £2000, and industry is expected to find the rest!</p>
<p><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8011882.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8011882.stm</a></p>
<p>That&#8217;s what the car industry needs an extra £1000 banger scrappage tax. Or something to muck up its pricing strategy.</p>
<p>Unfortunately the Mondeo is only 9 years old come March 2010. I will have to hang on to it in the hope the scheme is extended.</p>
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		<title>By: Tristan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tristan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 20:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The car mess is a sop to Unite, who fund Labour to a huge amount.
Workers in car manufacturing have been very restless (understandably) with quite a bit of unofficial action, the union leaders will not like this - it challenges their power.

As for who this is to benefit - the ruling classes. They are seeking to keep the current economic system going through yet another crisis.
They also cannot cut state run services for political reasons, and keeping things going at the same level needs an ever increasing amount of money.

I can&#039;t help but feel that something&#039;s got to give, and its not going to be pleasant for some people when it does...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The car mess is a sop to Unite, who fund Labour to a huge amount.<br />
Workers in car manufacturing have been very restless (understandably) with quite a bit of unofficial action, the union leaders will not like this &#8211; it challenges their power.</p>
<p>As for who this is to benefit &#8211; the ruling classes. They are seeking to keep the current economic system going through yet another crisis.<br />
They also cannot cut state run services for political reasons, and keeping things going at the same level needs an ever increasing amount of money.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t help but feel that something&#8217;s got to give, and its not going to be pleasant for some people when it does&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: asquith</title>
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		<dc:creator>asquith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 20:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I oppose 50%. But it is very clever politics indeed. It will go down extremely well not only with Labour voters teetering on the edge of the BNP, but also residents in marginal seats, extremely few of whom earn above the threshold but who nurture a vague anger towards very high earners, want to strike a blow against them &amp; don&#039;t particularly care about how it&#039;s done.

You have also got the fact that Cameron will either have to repeal it (sending out the wrong messages politically, however right it may be economically) or keep it (conceding a kind of victory to Labour).

Now you may well say that it won&#039;t work &amp; if anything further pain will be felt by low earners. But most low &amp; medium earners will not take such a long-term view.

Do not be at all surprised if the Daily Mail etc support rich-bashing. They are interested in what sells, &amp; lower-middle-class tossers have never been friends to high earners. No one would care what is right.

As usual with this government it is politics not statesmanship. So even if this policy turns out to be utter shite, they are celebrating at the fact that they&#039;ve wrongfooted the Tories &amp; any harm they do will not be attributed to them as most voters do not have a long enough attention span to do any such thing.

The statements by Philip Hammond on behalf of Camoron is worthy of note re: this.

&quot;We are not going to make a commitment to repeal the 50p tax rate,&quot; he said, adding the Tories would instead seek to reduce the tax burden for those on middle and lower incomes. 

&quot;We are going to focus on the taxes for the many.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I oppose 50%. But it is very clever politics indeed. It will go down extremely well not only with Labour voters teetering on the edge of the BNP, but also residents in marginal seats, extremely few of whom earn above the threshold but who nurture a vague anger towards very high earners, want to strike a blow against them &amp; don&#8217;t particularly care about how it&#8217;s done.</p>
<p>You have also got the fact that Cameron will either have to repeal it (sending out the wrong messages politically, however right it may be economically) or keep it (conceding a kind of victory to Labour).</p>
<p>Now you may well say that it won&#8217;t work &amp; if anything further pain will be felt by low earners. But most low &amp; medium earners will not take such a long-term view.</p>
<p>Do not be at all surprised if the Daily Mail etc support rich-bashing. They are interested in what sells, &amp; lower-middle-class tossers have never been friends to high earners. No one would care what is right.</p>
<p>As usual with this government it is politics not statesmanship. So even if this policy turns out to be utter shite, they are celebrating at the fact that they&#8217;ve wrongfooted the Tories &amp; any harm they do will not be attributed to them as most voters do not have a long enough attention span to do any such thing.</p>
<p>The statements by Philip Hammond on behalf of Camoron is worthy of note re: this.</p>
<p>&#8220;We are not going to make a commitment to repeal the 50p tax rate,&#8221; he said, adding the Tories would instead seek to reduce the tax burden for those on middle and lower incomes. </p>
<p>&#8220;We are going to focus on the taxes for the many.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: NB.</title>
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		<dc:creator>NB.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 18:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or environmentalists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or environmentalists.</p>
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		<title>By: NB.</title>
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		<dc:creator>NB.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 18:12:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having re-read my last post, I realise that I forgot to consider Keynesians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having re-read my last post, I realise that I forgot to consider Keynesians.</p>
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		<title>By: NB.</title>
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		<dc:creator>NB.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 18:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I bought a ten year old BMW 528i six months ago. Metallic Black, beige leather, tiptronic, 90k miles, full BMW service history, the works. Absolutely perfect basically, good as new, fast as hell, and these cars regularly last 300k. 

Two points:

-How, the hell, with cars as good as this hitting ten years (and I&#039;ve had 16 years old cars that were just as great), and all the technological advancements they have taken to make them this good, can it be HUMANLY possible for people to regard them as scrap. Even averaging 20mpg (lots of small distances and a lead foot) there is no way on earth that it is &#039;more sustainable&#039; to destroy these things and buy new ones. 

-However, I paid 2 grand for it. Good to hear that I can keep it for another 200 thousand miles and still get 2 grand for it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I bought a ten year old BMW 528i six months ago. Metallic Black, beige leather, tiptronic, 90k miles, full BMW service history, the works. Absolutely perfect basically, good as new, fast as hell, and these cars regularly last 300k. </p>
<p>Two points:</p>
<p>-How, the hell, with cars as good as this hitting ten years (and I&#8217;ve had 16 years old cars that were just as great), and all the technological advancements they have taken to make them this good, can it be HUMANLY possible for people to regard them as scrap. Even averaging 20mpg (lots of small distances and a lead foot) there is no way on earth that it is &#8216;more sustainable&#8217; to destroy these things and buy new ones. </p>
<p>-However, I paid 2 grand for it. Good to hear that I can keep it for another 200 thousand miles and still get 2 grand for it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ian B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was thinking, this is like watching a car crash in slow motion. Then I thought, well, I can collect up the bits and sell them for two grand, anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was thinking, this is like watching a car crash in slow motion. Then I thought, well, I can collect up the bits and sell them for two grand, anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Darrell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As you may be unsurprised to learn, although it is probably right to say it will earn little revenue, I have no problem with the 50p band. It is rendered impotent by the piecemeal reform of the tax system and there is no follow-through on reducing taxes where we have rightly said they should be reduced but nonetheless I would support it. 

Right, moving on from the bit where we obviously disagree to where I actually agree with you. 3.5% is stupidly optimistic and its optimistic for precisely the reasons stated above that the tax cuts havent come and as a consequences of us seeing the increased consumer spending needed to provide that sort of growth are zip-de-do-dah....

The thing about scrappage is that you are probably right but it&#039;s in there as a political sop because the Treasuary cant afford a proper stimulus which the motor industry probably needs....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As you may be unsurprised to learn, although it is probably right to say it will earn little revenue, I have no problem with the 50p band. It is rendered impotent by the piecemeal reform of the tax system and there is no follow-through on reducing taxes where we have rightly said they should be reduced but nonetheless I would support it. </p>
<p>Right, moving on from the bit where we obviously disagree to where I actually agree with you. 3.5% is stupidly optimistic and its optimistic for precisely the reasons stated above that the tax cuts havent come and as a consequences of us seeing the increased consumer spending needed to provide that sort of growth are zip-de-do-dah&#8230;.</p>
<p>The thing about scrappage is that you are probably right but it&#8217;s in there as a political sop because the Treasuary cant afford a proper stimulus which the motor industry probably needs&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Otten</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Otten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah the £2000 car bung isn&#039;t even protectionism. The whole motor industry is foreign owned anyway.

I&#039;m hoping that they cynically did some maths and worked out that few people would be able to take it up anyway. Which would make it an expensive soundbite, but not as expensive as it might be. Who, after all, runs a 10 year old car, but doesn&#039;t buy second hand? This is if they are smart enough to stop the secondary market, using DVLA records. But I doubt it.

Oh and it does nothing for the environment, but we know that right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah the £2000 car bung isn&#8217;t even protectionism. The whole motor industry is foreign owned anyway.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m hoping that they cynically did some maths and worked out that few people would be able to take it up anyway. Which would make it an expensive soundbite, but not as expensive as it might be. Who, after all, runs a 10 year old car, but doesn&#8217;t buy second hand? This is if they are smart enough to stop the secondary market, using DVLA records. But I doubt it.</p>
<p>Oh and it does nothing for the environment, but we know that right?</p>
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