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		<title>By: Mr Bungalow</title>
		<link>http://charlottegore.com/2009/05/26/snoozefest-2009.html/comment-page-1#comment-4010</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr Bungalow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 18:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Go doorknocking about selfish, unworkable libertarianism and free market bollocks, and see how many people care, Gore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Go doorknocking about selfish, unworkable libertarianism and free market bollocks, and see how many people care, Gore.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Huntbach</title>
		<link>http://charlottegore.com/2009/05/26/snoozefest-2009.html/comment-page-1#comment-3943</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Huntbach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 23:27:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;
main comment is that they would like to understand more about it [PR] and that our media (and politicians) do a remarkably poor job in explaining it objectively.
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That is because they are thick. In this country it is considered a matter of pride to boast of one&#039;s innumeracy. Given how many people want jobs in the media, one might suppose they could make some effort to recruit people who understand basic arithmetics, statisics and the like. But they don&#039;t - there&#039;s enough really bad mathematical howlers in the media to make it clear they really aren&#039;t doing it deliberately to mislead, they actually are just thick.

Consider - the average Irishman/woman understands STV and they have always voted in favour of it when their politicians have tried to take it away from them. But media people and politicans here take pride in ho-ho-ing about it being so complex they couldn&#039;t possibly understand it or explain it - and I believe them, given the hash they made about e.g. explaning how the Greater London elctions work, or their utter failure to realise that we don&#039;t have &quot;an MEP&quot; like we have &quot;an MP&quot; due the electoral system. Why don&#039;t they just say &quot;I&#039;m thick - much thicker than the average Irish person who doesn&#039;t have the trouble I have with this thing&quot;?</description>
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main comment is that they would like to understand more about it [PR] and that our media (and politicians) do a remarkably poor job in explaining it objectively.<br />
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<p>That is because they are thick. In this country it is considered a matter of pride to boast of one&#8217;s innumeracy. Given how many people want jobs in the media, one might suppose they could make some effort to recruit people who understand basic arithmetics, statisics and the like. But they don&#8217;t &#8211; there&#8217;s enough really bad mathematical howlers in the media to make it clear they really aren&#8217;t doing it deliberately to mislead, they actually are just thick.</p>
<p>Consider &#8211; the average Irishman/woman understands STV and they have always voted in favour of it when their politicians have tried to take it away from them. But media people and politicans here take pride in ho-ho-ing about it being so complex they couldn&#8217;t possibly understand it or explain it &#8211; and I believe them, given the hash they made about e.g. explaning how the Greater London elctions work, or their utter failure to realise that we don&#8217;t have &#8220;an MEP&#8221; like we have &#8220;an MP&#8221; due the electoral system. Why don&#8217;t they just say &#8220;I&#8217;m thick &#8211; much thicker than the average Irish person who doesn&#8217;t have the trouble I have with this thing&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Benier</title>
		<link>http://charlottegore.com/2009/05/26/snoozefest-2009.html/comment-page-1#comment-3919</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc Benier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 16:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a first time council candidate looking for votes I have spoken to people on the doorstep about PR in my division as part in response to questions about parliamentary change and actually am finding people interested in it - main comment is that they would like to understand more about it and that our media (and politicians) do a remarkably poor job in explaining it objectively.
Maybe...just maybe we may see some movement on this issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a first time council candidate looking for votes I have spoken to people on the doorstep about PR in my division as part in response to questions about parliamentary change and actually am finding people interested in it &#8211; main comment is that they would like to understand more about it and that our media (and politicians) do a remarkably poor job in explaining it objectively.<br />
Maybe&#8230;just maybe we may see some movement on this issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Weggom</title>
		<link>http://charlottegore.com/2009/05/26/snoozefest-2009.html/comment-page-1#comment-3853</link>
		<dc:creator>Weggom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 21:29:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;We could elect a whole new Parliament through a proportional election and still end up with a parliament full of crooks. There’s no evidence to suggest otherwise.&quot;

Actually there&#039;s quite a lot of evidence that they&#039;d be mugging the system just as badly (I give you... Europe). There&#039;s a far easier way of reducing their scope to play the expenses system - stop paying them.  

As for what &quot;the public&quot; wants, the best you can say is that they don&#039;t know, other than some vague concept called &quot;change&quot;, because that fixes everything....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We could elect a whole new Parliament through a proportional election and still end up with a parliament full of crooks. There’s no evidence to suggest otherwise.&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually there&#8217;s quite a lot of evidence that they&#8217;d be mugging the system just as badly (I give you&#8230; Europe). There&#8217;s a far easier way of reducing their scope to play the expenses system &#8211; stop paying them.  </p>
<p>As for what &#8220;the public&#8221; wants, the best you can say is that they don&#8217;t know, other than some vague concept called &#8220;change&#8221;, because that fixes everything&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Thornhill</title>
		<link>http://charlottegore.com/2009/05/26/snoozefest-2009.html/comment-page-1#comment-3846</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger Thornhill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 16:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People may think it is a snoozefest, but while the nation sleeps (after shouting hoarse about expenses) they will wake up and find westminster emasculated, the Regions up and running and their Sovereignty stolen.

It will become a matter of how to vote for a bunch of people who have a pension reliant on them not complaining about their masters in Europe. The Gaulieters? They, as before, will be appointed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People may think it is a snoozefest, but while the nation sleeps (after shouting hoarse about expenses) they will wake up and find westminster emasculated, the Regions up and running and their Sovereignty stolen.</p>
<p>It will become a matter of how to vote for a bunch of people who have a pension reliant on them not complaining about their masters in Europe. The Gaulieters? They, as before, will be appointed.</p>
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		<title>By: Oranjepan</title>
		<link>http://charlottegore.com/2009/05/26/snoozefest-2009.html/comment-page-1#comment-3835</link>
		<dc:creator>Oranjepan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 09:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dancing monkey at your service...

Peeps, can I just mention that you&#039;re all missing the real story - the expenses story is shaking the tories (under 40% in the polls x3) and CAMERON IS PANICKING.

Round here the Andrew MacKay story has really permeated across the board and Labour continue to retreat in the face of the national picture, so it doesn&#039;t matter what anybody makes policy announcements on, just big up the Cleggster!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dancing monkey at your service&#8230;</p>
<p>Peeps, can I just mention that you&#8217;re all missing the real story &#8211; the expenses story is shaking the tories (under 40% in the polls x3) and CAMERON IS PANICKING.</p>
<p>Round here the Andrew MacKay story has really permeated across the board and Labour continue to retreat in the face of the national picture, so it doesn&#8217;t matter what anybody makes policy announcements on, just big up the Cleggster!</p>
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		<title>By: DavidNcl</title>
		<link>http://charlottegore.com/2009/05/26/snoozefest-2009.html/comment-page-1#comment-3831</link>
		<dc:creator>DavidNcl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 06:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh god, poliical betting is full of it and now here too. Soon the talk of which system... then the precise make up of the House of Lords in some other fantasy universe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh god, poliical betting is full of it and now here too. Soon the talk of which system&#8230; then the precise make up of the House of Lords in some other fantasy universe.</p>
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		<title>By: Darrell</title>
		<link>http://charlottegore.com/2009/05/26/snoozefest-2009.html/comment-page-1#comment-3816</link>
		<dc:creator>Darrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 19:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charlotte,

Isn&#039;t irony a wonderful thing :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charlotte,</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t irony a wonderful thing <img src='http://charlottegore.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Charlotte Gore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlotte Gore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 19:51:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do love the fact that people choose a post condemning the tediousness of discussing electoral reform by having an epic argument on the subject.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do love the fact that people choose a post condemning the tediousness of discussing electoral reform by having an epic argument on the subject.</p>
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		<title>By: Darrell</title>
		<link>http://charlottegore.com/2009/05/26/snoozefest-2009.html/comment-page-1#comment-3814</link>
		<dc:creator>Darrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 19:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stu,

Whoops, I must have slipped into a parrell universe where peoples confidence in Parliament isn&#039;t at a record low. Where people aren&#039;t seethingly angry against the entire system. Or maybe not hey; maybe i was imagining that nice Mr Cameron talking about &#039;broken politics&#039; this morning?

I agree that transparancey is important but we are in &#039;root and branch&#039; territory now, and part of that is how elected representatives are elected. Because the second place party; under FPTP might well not be the second place in terms of vote share so errr any more dodgy non-relevant metaphors?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stu,</p>
<p>Whoops, I must have slipped into a parrell universe where peoples confidence in Parliament isn&#8217;t at a record low. Where people aren&#8217;t seethingly angry against the entire system. Or maybe not hey; maybe i was imagining that nice Mr Cameron talking about &#8216;broken politics&#8217; this morning?</p>
<p>I agree that transparancey is important but we are in &#8216;root and branch&#8217; territory now, and part of that is how elected representatives are elected. Because the second place party; under FPTP might well not be the second place in terms of vote share so errr any more dodgy non-relevant metaphors?</p>
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