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	<title>Comments on: The British Daily Kos? Not yet, Sunny Jim.</title>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://charlottegore.com/2009/05/31/the-british-daily-kos-not-yet-sunny-jim.html/comment-page-1#comment-4168</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 11:25:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Liberalism is represented by a liberal party, just not the Lib-Dems (although I think the party has come on leaps and bounds in the past 5-6 years.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liberalism is represented by a liberal party, just not the Lib-Dems (although I think the party has come on leaps and bounds in the past 5-6 years.)</p>
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		<title>By: Oranjepan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oranjepan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 17:19:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LC promotes Fabianism, if you wish to call that SD (social democracy) that&#039;s your prerogative, but I question whether that is actually what the Fabians promote. It&#039;s all a means to an end for them.

Kos&#039;s success at campaigning also needs to be questioned. It helps to have supported the winning candidate when you&#039;re retrospectively claiming influence, but weren&#039;t they preaching to the converted and creating a sickly sweet stench of smug self-satisfaction which was just as off-putting and actually held Obama back from a more overwhelming victory?

So again we return to the subject of presentation vs substance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LC promotes Fabianism, if you wish to call that SD (social democracy) that&#8217;s your prerogative, but I question whether that is actually what the Fabians promote. It&#8217;s all a means to an end for them.</p>
<p>Kos&#8217;s success at campaigning also needs to be questioned. It helps to have supported the winning candidate when you&#8217;re retrospectively claiming influence, but weren&#8217;t they preaching to the converted and creating a sickly sweet stench of smug self-satisfaction which was just as off-putting and actually held Obama back from a more overwhelming victory?</p>
<p>So again we return to the subject of presentation vs substance.</p>
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		<title>By: Letters From A Tory</title>
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		<dc:creator>Letters From A Tory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 14:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said Stu!

By the way Charlotte, your presence has been requested in the comments thread for today&#039;s letter on my blog!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said Stu!</p>
<p>By the way Charlotte, your presence has been requested in the comments thread for today&#8217;s letter on my blog!</p>
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		<title>By: Charlotte Gore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlotte Gore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 11:10:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny <img src='http://charlottegore.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Stu</title>
		<link>http://charlottegore.com/2009/05/31/the-british-daily-kos-not-yet-sunny-jim.html/comment-page-1#comment-4102</link>
		<dc:creator>Stu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 11:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s &lt;em&gt;that&lt;/em&gt; got to do with the Lib Dems, Charlotte? ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s <em>that</em> got to do with the Lib Dems, Charlotte? <img src='http://charlottegore.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Charlotte Gore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlotte Gore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 10:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not typical, no, but not unique either. 

I can&#039;t let go of the idea that liberalism should be represented by the liberal party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not typical, no, but not unique either. </p>
<p>I can&#8217;t let go of the idea that liberalism should be represented by the liberal party.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 10:15:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also confused, why the Lib Dem angle? You are clearly not a typical Lib Dem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also confused, why the Lib Dem angle? You are clearly not a typical Lib Dem.</p>
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		<title>By: David Boycott</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Boycott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 18:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article. Why do you spend your time helping social democrats get elected under a misleading moniker?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article. Why do you spend your time helping social democrats get elected under a misleading moniker?</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 18:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice article.

I used to spend quite a lot of time on Kos, oh so many years ago, when I was young, and the Iraq war was raging. It was a genuine community back then. Or so I thought.

Then one day I returned to it after a long absence, and read some piece about Global Warming that happened to be on the front page at the time, and posted a mildly sceptical comment about it.

Within minutes my comment had been removed, and I was being questioned. Who was I? Was I a Bush sympathizer? My comment would be held until I had been checked out. Previous postings of mine, critical of Dick Cheney&#039;s custom of shooting his friends in the face, were dug out from a year or more before. I was grudgingly recognised as being one of the earliest posters on Kos. Eventually my global-warming-sceptical comment was allowed, surrounded by hostile counter-comments. And I was asked to justify my unwarranted scepticism. which I proceeded to do by saying that I was just, well, y&#039;know, ...sceptical.

The experience was like being surrounded by riot police, and put up against a wall, frisked, and interrogated. It was quite shocking. I&#039;d not realised that climate scepticism was impermissible.

I never went back. And the experience boosted my nascent climate scepticism no end. I&#039;m completely and irrevocably sceptical now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice article.</p>
<p>I used to spend quite a lot of time on Kos, oh so many years ago, when I was young, and the Iraq war was raging. It was a genuine community back then. Or so I thought.</p>
<p>Then one day I returned to it after a long absence, and read some piece about Global Warming that happened to be on the front page at the time, and posted a mildly sceptical comment about it.</p>
<p>Within minutes my comment had been removed, and I was being questioned. Who was I? Was I a Bush sympathizer? My comment would be held until I had been checked out. Previous postings of mine, critical of Dick Cheney&#8217;s custom of shooting his friends in the face, were dug out from a year or more before. I was grudgingly recognised as being one of the earliest posters on Kos. Eventually my global-warming-sceptical comment was allowed, surrounded by hostile counter-comments. And I was asked to justify my unwarranted scepticism. which I proceeded to do by saying that I was just, well, y&#8217;know, &#8230;sceptical.</p>
<p>The experience was like being surrounded by riot police, and put up against a wall, frisked, and interrogated. It was quite shocking. I&#8217;d not realised that climate scepticism was impermissible.</p>
<p>I never went back. And the experience boosted my nascent climate scepticism no end. I&#8217;m completely and irrevocably sceptical now.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Thornhill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger Thornhill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 14:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charlotte, this fence-sitting has just got to stop!

Great post. the Left are still in utter utter denial about the beastliness of their ideology. And they spend their time calling Libertarians &quot;selfish&quot;, when it is they who want to breed an entire nation to abdicate responsibility in its entirety.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charlotte, this fence-sitting has just got to stop!</p>
<p>Great post. the Left are still in utter utter denial about the beastliness of their ideology. And they spend their time calling Libertarians &#8220;selfish&#8221;, when it is they who want to breed an entire nation to abdicate responsibility in its entirety.</p>
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