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		<title>By: Rene Wojtczak</title>
		<link>http://charlottegore.com/2009/08/13/go-on-tell-us-what-you-really-think.html/comment-page-2#comment-17717</link>
		<dc:creator>Rene Wojtczak</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://charlottegore.com/2009/08/13/go-on-tell-us-what-you-really-think.html/comment-page-2#comment-8084</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 09:46:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You come across as somewhat parochial and not well-informed.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/1991/jan/14/eu.politics
&quot; &#039;Fascists, occupiers go home!&#039; they yelled. &#039; Lithuania , Lithuania , freedom for Lithuania !&#039; And still they stood firm as the armour kept on moving, trying to stop it with their bodies, even with their bare hands.

Some were crushed as the war machines ground forward, searchlights on the tanks lighting their way. Others fell dead or wounded as the troops turned their guns on the people blocking their path. &quot;

http://www.heraldscotland.com/comment/iain-macwhirter/why-snp-believes-we-are-the-people-wherever-we-re-from-1.928428
&quot;The modern SNP is a civic nationalist party, which enthusiastically accepts non-Scots as members and was the first Scottish party to have a Muslim MSP. Anyone who happens to live in Scotland can claim Scottish nationality under the SNP constitution, and it has an open-door policy on immigration. Really, you can’t get much less racist than that.

Nevertheless, some people still try to taint the SNP by association.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You come across as somewhat parochial and not well-informed.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/1991/jan/14/eu.politics" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/1991/jan/14/eu.politics</a><br />
&#8221; &#8216;Fascists, occupiers go home!&#8217; they yelled. &#8216; Lithuania , Lithuania , freedom for Lithuania !&#8217; And still they stood firm as the armour kept on moving, trying to stop it with their bodies, even with their bare hands.</p>
<p>Some were crushed as the war machines ground forward, searchlights on the tanks lighting their way. Others fell dead or wounded as the troops turned their guns on the people blocking their path. &#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.heraldscotland.com/comment/iain-macwhirter/why-snp-believes-we-are-the-people-wherever-we-re-from-1.928428" rel="nofollow">http://www.heraldscotland.com/comment/iain-macwhirter/why-snp-believes-we-are-the-people-wherever-we-re-from-1.928428</a><br />
&#8220;The modern SNP is a civic nationalist party, which enthusiastically accepts non-Scots as members and was the first Scottish party to have a Muslim MSP. Anyone who happens to live in Scotland can claim Scottish nationality under the SNP constitution, and it has an open-door policy on immigration. Really, you can’t get much less racist than that.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, some people still try to taint the SNP by association.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Charlotte Gore</title>
		<link>http://charlottegore.com/2009/08/13/go-on-tell-us-what-you-really-think.html/comment-page-2#comment-8083</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlotte Gore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 09:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom,

The USSR did not collapse because of plucky nationalists. It collapsed because it was a economic failure and people quite rightly wanted to be free of it. I never said anything about Lib Dem politicians. I only represent myself. 

Ian,

I don&#039;t really disapprove of nations themselves. The idea of nations as divisions of the land based on ethnic purity makes me queasy as you can probably imagine. It&#039;s Nationalism as a politicial ideology - policy based on what&#039;s in the interest of the nation I object to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom,</p>
<p>The USSR did not collapse because of plucky nationalists. It collapsed because it was a economic failure and people quite rightly wanted to be free of it. I never said anything about Lib Dem politicians. I only represent myself. </p>
<p>Ian,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t really disapprove of nations themselves. The idea of nations as divisions of the land based on ethnic purity makes me queasy as you can probably imagine. It&#8217;s Nationalism as a politicial ideology &#8211; policy based on what&#8217;s in the interest of the nation I object to.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://charlottegore.com/2009/08/13/go-on-tell-us-what-you-really-think.html/comment-page-2#comment-8082</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 09:26:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charlotte, you seem to believe that the Lib Dem party is somehow special, ideologically pure and so on. I know their politicians to be cynical Unionist fence-sitters and I notice you dodged the issue of whether nationalism was a good thing when it came to breaking up the USSR.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charlotte, you seem to believe that the Lib Dem party is somehow special, ideologically pure and so on. I know their politicians to be cynical Unionist fence-sitters and I notice you dodged the issue of whether nationalism was a good thing when it came to breaking up the USSR.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 02:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What do you mean by nationalism? Are you opposed to the existence of nation states, or do you approve of nation states but disapprove of people who support them, or what? If the nations were abolished, with what should they be replaced?

Bear in mind here that a global governance isn&#039;t &quot;no nation states&quot;, it&#039;s &quot;one nation state&quot;. In that latter case, rather than abolishing the nation, all you&#039;ve actually abolished is the ability to escape abroad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What do you mean by nationalism? Are you opposed to the existence of nation states, or do you approve of nation states but disapprove of people who support them, or what? If the nations were abolished, with what should they be replaced?</p>
<p>Bear in mind here that a global governance isn&#8217;t &#8220;no nation states&#8221;, it&#8217;s &#8220;one nation state&#8221;. In that latter case, rather than abolishing the nation, all you&#8217;ve actually abolished is the ability to escape abroad.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlotte Gore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlotte Gore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 02:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;To smear independence supporters with some notion of Fascism is ridiculous and shows you know nothing about Scotland.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I don&#039;t see what my knowledge of Scotland has to do with whether or not Nationalism, as a political ideology, is damaging and poisonous? 

Second, you only possible way you could make what I&#039;ve said add up to &#039;smearing independence supporters&#039; is if you believe the only reason anyone ever wants independence is out of a commitment to ideologically pure nationalism. If that&#039;s what you believe then fair fucks to you, but I certainly don&#039;t believe that for a second.

For the record, I reserve my scorn, disdain and mockery for Nationalist &lt;b&gt;politicians&lt;/b&gt; (and the True Believers) whom I consider to be the very worst, lowest form of populist, opportunistic political parasites. 

You really should pick your battles a little more carefully. I have no opinion on Scotland&#039;s future. I have no love for the Union, nor opposition to independence. I&#039;m completely staying out of your way... so what&#039;s your problem? 

It&#039;s not enough that I&#039;m not actively trying to prevent independence for Scotland? You need me to believe that Scottish Nationalism is somehow special, that it&#039;s immune from the &#039;bad&#039; bits of Nationalism? Pull the other one!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>To smear independence supporters with some notion of Fascism is ridiculous and shows you know nothing about Scotland.</p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t see what my knowledge of Scotland has to do with whether or not Nationalism, as a political ideology, is damaging and poisonous? </p>
<p>Second, you only possible way you could make what I&#8217;ve said add up to &#8216;smearing independence supporters&#8217; is if you believe the only reason anyone ever wants independence is out of a commitment to ideologically pure nationalism. If that&#8217;s what you believe then fair fucks to you, but I certainly don&#8217;t believe that for a second.</p>
<p>For the record, I reserve my scorn, disdain and mockery for Nationalist <b>politicians</b> (and the True Believers) whom I consider to be the very worst, lowest form of populist, opportunistic political parasites. </p>
<p>You really should pick your battles a little more carefully. I have no opinion on Scotland&#8217;s future. I have no love for the Union, nor opposition to independence. I&#8217;m completely staying out of your way&#8230; so what&#8217;s your problem? </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not enough that I&#8217;m not actively trying to prevent independence for Scotland? You need me to believe that Scottish Nationalism is somehow special, that it&#8217;s immune from the &#8216;bad&#8217; bits of Nationalism? Pull the other one!</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 00:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are right, it&#039;s none of your business. To smear independence supporters with some notion of Fascism is ridiculous and shows you know nothing about Scotland.

If it wasn&#039;t for nationalists, there would still be a Soviet Empire. I suppose you don&#039;t have to think about that since you&#039;re not Lithuanian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are right, it&#8217;s none of your business. To smear independence supporters with some notion of Fascism is ridiculous and shows you know nothing about Scotland.</p>
<p>If it wasn&#8217;t for nationalists, there would still be a Soviet Empire. I suppose you don&#8217;t have to think about that since you&#8217;re not Lithuanian.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlotte Gore</title>
		<link>http://charlottegore.com/2009/08/13/go-on-tell-us-what-you-really-think.html/comment-page-2#comment-8076</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlotte Gore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 00:46:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not really. Protectionism, Fascism, that sort of thing. The collective good of the Nation being put ahead of the interests of individuals.

Like I said, I&#039;m not a nationalist. The fate of Scotland, Wales, NI.. none of my business: I&#039;m English.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not really. Protectionism, Fascism, that sort of thing. The collective good of the Nation being put ahead of the interests of individuals.</p>
<p>Like I said, I&#8217;m not a nationalist. The fate of Scotland, Wales, NI.. none of my business: I&#8217;m English.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 00:40:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What are you worried about then, democracy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What are you worried about then, democracy?</p>
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		<title>By: Charlotte Gore</title>
		<link>http://charlottegore.com/2009/08/13/go-on-tell-us-what-you-really-think.html/comment-page-2#comment-8074</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlotte Gore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 00:07:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neither, Tom. I&#039;m not a nationalist and I don&#039;t like Scottish, Welsh, Irish, British or English Nationalism.

The Union doesn&#039;t matter to me at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neither, Tom. I&#8217;m not a nationalist and I don&#8217;t like Scottish, Welsh, Irish, British or English Nationalism.</p>
<p>The Union doesn&#8217;t matter to me at all.</p>
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