<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Quantitative Uneasiness</title>
	<atom:link href="http://charlottegore.com/2009/11/05/quantitive-uneasiness.html/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://charlottegore.com/2009/11/05/quantitive-uneasiness.html</link>
	<description>Free Trade and Free Minds. Politics for Reasonable People. Independent Political Blogging. Top 20 Blog. Libertarianism. Laser Kitties.</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 08:35:16 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6</generator>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
		<item>
		<title>By: Letters From A Tory</title>
		<link>http://charlottegore.com/2009/11/05/quantitive-uneasiness.html/comment-page-1#comment-8216</link>
		<dc:creator>Letters From A Tory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 09:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://charlottegore.com/?p=1839#comment-8216</guid>
		<description>I read a hilarious article recently in the papers which showed the despite the billions put into QE, the money supply in the economy has increased by just 0.2%.

Why?

Because the banks have used the money to rebuild their balance sheets rather than start lending to homes and businesses, which is what it was supposed to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read a hilarious article recently in the papers which showed the despite the billions put into QE, the money supply in the economy has increased by just 0.2%.</p>
<p>Why?</p>
<p>Because the banks have used the money to rebuild their balance sheets rather than start lending to homes and businesses, which is what it was supposed to do.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Roger Thornhill</title>
		<link>http://charlottegore.com/2009/11/05/quantitive-uneasiness.html/comment-page-1#comment-8215</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger Thornhill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 08:33:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://charlottegore.com/?p=1839#comment-8215</guid>
		<description>The dilution occurs (even if temporarily it might be desirable to the BoE). The issue is, as my analogy pit, the dilution puts the money not in the hands of the &quot;shareholders&quot;, ie those with existing pounds, but the state. 

To argue it is spent into the wider economy is like saying theft is ok as long as the thief is a spendthrift and the money ends up back out there.

No, it is not OK. At some stage the QE will need to be reversed and I do not trust the Government selling bonds and then destroying the proceeds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The dilution occurs (even if temporarily it might be desirable to the BoE). The issue is, as my analogy pit, the dilution puts the money not in the hands of the &#8220;shareholders&#8221;, ie those with existing pounds, but the state. </p>
<p>To argue it is spent into the wider economy is like saying theft is ok as long as the thief is a spendthrift and the money ends up back out there.</p>
<p>No, it is not OK. At some stage the QE will need to be reversed and I do not trust the Government selling bonds and then destroying the proceeds.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://charlottegore.com/2009/11/05/quantitive-uneasiness.html/comment-page-1#comment-8212</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 00:32:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://charlottegore.com/?p=1839#comment-8212</guid>
		<description>@ Emma: it is quite possible, nay probable, that we will get both inflation and low growth. Inflation will start to rise from now on as the effects of high oil prices in 2008 fall out of the index. And oil has risen from its low of $30/barrel to $80 now so that will pump inflation more. If sterling starts to slide on the fear of higher inflation then you get the added problem of higher import prices feeding in too. It feeds on itself. Add in the reluctance of the govt to increase rates when the recession is hardly even ended, and you have the perfect storm for stagflation. Welcome back to the 70s!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Emma: it is quite possible, nay probable, that we will get both inflation and low growth. Inflation will start to rise from now on as the effects of high oil prices in 2008 fall out of the index. And oil has risen from its low of $30/barrel to $80 now so that will pump inflation more. If sterling starts to slide on the fear of higher inflation then you get the added problem of higher import prices feeding in too. It feeds on itself. Add in the reluctance of the govt to increase rates when the recession is hardly even ended, and you have the perfect storm for stagflation. Welcome back to the 70s!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Emma</title>
		<link>http://charlottegore.com/2009/11/05/quantitive-uneasiness.html/comment-page-1#comment-8206</link>
		<dc:creator>Emma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 21:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://charlottegore.com/?p=1839#comment-8206</guid>
		<description>Also, Charlotte, any chance of a preview pane for comment posting so that we have a second chance to catch our typos? :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, Charlotte, any chance of a preview pane for comment posting so that we have a second chance to catch our typos? <img src='http://charlottegore.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Emma</title>
		<link>http://charlottegore.com/2009/11/05/quantitive-uneasiness.html/comment-page-1#comment-8205</link>
		<dc:creator>Emma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 21:53:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://charlottegore.com/?p=1839#comment-8205</guid>
		<description>Thanks for the replies, to start with Jim, amazingly I do expect the BoE to reverse its monetary stance if inflation begins to rise. If inflation is rising it means we are likely to be out of recession, or that whatever problems remain are supply side, and there isn&#039;t a lot the BoE can do about that whather its policy. I also expect the Government (whomever it is at the time) to retain BoE independence, and maintain a fairly low inflation target, because of the problems with inflation we have had in the past, although I admit I&#039;m usually far more cynical about the motivations and incentives of Government!

To Kevin, please correct me if I&#039;m wrong, these things often make my head hurt, but surely the fact that the QE programme is buying up gilts means that more money is flowing into the real economy, because the government debt was previously held in the private sector, and has now been repurchased with money created ex-nihilo, meaning that the new money can be invensted in non-government securities and/or increases in bank deposits and lending. The problem would be if the new money had no effect on bank behaviour. As far as I can tell this is what the BoE is uncertain about, hence is doesn&#039;t know how effective its strategy is!

Other strategies as far as I understand involve either &#039;Credit Easing&#039; where the BoE purchases non-government debt (but this leaves the Bank with a default risk), or some kind of negative interest rate (which has never been tried, there are probably not the correct channels for banks to implement, and would be met with howls of derision from many quarters).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the replies, to start with Jim, amazingly I do expect the BoE to reverse its monetary stance if inflation begins to rise. If inflation is rising it means we are likely to be out of recession, or that whatever problems remain are supply side, and there isn&#8217;t a lot the BoE can do about that whather its policy. I also expect the Government (whomever it is at the time) to retain BoE independence, and maintain a fairly low inflation target, because of the problems with inflation we have had in the past, although I admit I&#8217;m usually far more cynical about the motivations and incentives of Government!</p>
<p>To Kevin, please correct me if I&#8217;m wrong, these things often make my head hurt, but surely the fact that the QE programme is buying up gilts means that more money is flowing into the real economy, because the government debt was previously held in the private sector, and has now been repurchased with money created ex-nihilo, meaning that the new money can be invensted in non-government securities and/or increases in bank deposits and lending. The problem would be if the new money had no effect on bank behaviour. As far as I can tell this is what the BoE is uncertain about, hence is doesn&#8217;t know how effective its strategy is!</p>
<p>Other strategies as far as I understand involve either &#8216;Credit Easing&#8217; where the BoE purchases non-government debt (but this leaves the Bank with a default risk), or some kind of negative interest rate (which has never been tried, there are probably not the correct channels for banks to implement, and would be met with howls of derision from many quarters).</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://charlottegore.com/2009/11/05/quantitive-uneasiness.html/comment-page-1#comment-8201</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 19:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://charlottegore.com/?p=1839#comment-8201</guid>
		<description>@Emma: I think you are showing a touching faith in the &#039;independence&#039; of the BoE! 

Are you so sure that when inflation starts to move upwards (and it has already shown &#039;unexpected&#039; reluctance to fall into deflation, on the CPI anyway, which is the BoE&#039;s official target measure) that the BoE will reverse QE, and start selling these billions of gilts into the marketplace, whatever the conditions at the time? 

On any measure the govt will require to borrow many billions for many years to come. If £200bn of additional gilts are fed back into the market the price will plummet and rates will rise. Thus cutting off any nascent economic recovery. 

Do you REALLY think the govt of the day will allow an &#039;independent&#039; BoE to send us back into recession? Not a chance. They will just adjust the level of the inflation target range from 2%, to 4% and then 6 or 8%. That gilts will never leave the BoE vaults.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Emma: I think you are showing a touching faith in the &#8216;independence&#8217; of the BoE! </p>
<p>Are you so sure that when inflation starts to move upwards (and it has already shown &#8216;unexpected&#8217; reluctance to fall into deflation, on the CPI anyway, which is the BoE&#8217;s official target measure) that the BoE will reverse QE, and start selling these billions of gilts into the marketplace, whatever the conditions at the time? </p>
<p>On any measure the govt will require to borrow many billions for many years to come. If £200bn of additional gilts are fed back into the market the price will plummet and rates will rise. Thus cutting off any nascent economic recovery. </p>
<p>Do you REALLY think the govt of the day will allow an &#8216;independent&#8217; BoE to send us back into recession? Not a chance. They will just adjust the level of the inflation target range from 2%, to 4% and then 6 or 8%. That gilts will never leave the BoE vaults.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Kevin Boatang</title>
		<link>http://charlottegore.com/2009/11/05/quantitive-uneasiness.html/comment-page-1#comment-8196</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Boatang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 13:31:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://charlottegore.com/?p=1839#comment-8196</guid>
		<description>Joe, quite so. Inflation would truly remove the value of the pound in your pocket in a way that QE simply won&#039;t.

However Emma, although the BoE is meant to act in the way you say, it&#039;s purchasing of gilts as opposed to any other forms is revealing. It is buying back the debt rather than pumping money into the real economy, although there are obviously other benefits in monetary terms to reducing the burden in such a way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe, quite so. Inflation would truly remove the value of the pound in your pocket in a way that QE simply won&#8217;t.</p>
<p>However Emma, although the BoE is meant to act in the way you say, it&#8217;s purchasing of gilts as opposed to any other forms is revealing. It is buying back the debt rather than pumping money into the real economy, although there are obviously other benefits in monetary terms to reducing the burden in such a way.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Joe Otten</title>
		<link>http://charlottegore.com/2009/11/05/quantitive-uneasiness.html/comment-page-1#comment-8194</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Otten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 02:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://charlottegore.com/?p=1839#comment-8194</guid>
		<description>I agree with Emma. The &quot;robbery&quot; you speak of Charlotte happens when inflation kicks off, not when money is printed, or interest rates are cut, or taxes are cut, or anything else happens that might be expected to increase inflation.

And inflation is not a tax on everyone equally but on people with cash balances and sticky rates of pay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Emma. The &#8220;robbery&#8221; you speak of Charlotte happens when inflation kicks off, not when money is printed, or interest rates are cut, or taxes are cut, or anything else happens that might be expected to increase inflation.</p>
<p>And inflation is not a tax on everyone equally but on people with cash balances and sticky rates of pay.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Charlotte Gore</title>
		<link>http://charlottegore.com/2009/11/05/quantitive-uneasiness.html/comment-page-1#comment-8193</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlotte Gore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 01:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://charlottegore.com/?p=1839#comment-8193</guid>
		<description>Emma,

I do actually appreciate the reality that BoE has its inflation target to meet, and the underlying economy is probably deflationary.

It&#039;s hard to know what else they could do - the problem is what happens when the money hits the actual economy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Emma,</p>
<p>I do actually appreciate the reality that BoE has its inflation target to meet, and the underlying economy is probably deflationary.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard to know what else they could do &#8211; the problem is what happens when the money hits the actual economy?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Emma</title>
		<link>http://charlottegore.com/2009/11/05/quantitive-uneasiness.html/comment-page-1#comment-8183</link>
		<dc:creator>Emma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 16:28:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://charlottegore.com/?p=1839#comment-8183</guid>
		<description>And I thought spectacular economic ignorance only occured in the socialist blogosphere!

The Bank of England MPC has one task, to maintain inflation at its target rate, that is, to ensure the purchasing power of currency changes at its expected rate (small positive inflation, because that is easier). It has no interest in altering the purchasing power of money beyond this, because to do so with destroy its credibility. Given the economic situation, QE and other monetary policy instruments are entirely appropriate - given the relative ineffectiveness of the 2 week repo rate (the BoE &#039;base rate&#039;) in present circumstances - and is completely in line with standard macroeconomics.

It is not about transfering money to the banks, nor subsidising the governments debt - that is the point of BoE independence. Whether monetary policy is working or not, is another matter!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I thought spectacular economic ignorance only occured in the socialist blogosphere!</p>
<p>The Bank of England MPC has one task, to maintain inflation at its target rate, that is, to ensure the purchasing power of currency changes at its expected rate (small positive inflation, because that is easier). It has no interest in altering the purchasing power of money beyond this, because to do so with destroy its credibility. Given the economic situation, QE and other monetary policy instruments are entirely appropriate &#8211; given the relative ineffectiveness of the 2 week repo rate (the BoE &#8216;base rate&#8217;) in present circumstances &#8211; and is completely in line with standard macroeconomics.</p>
<p>It is not about transfering money to the banks, nor subsidising the governments debt &#8211; that is the point of BoE independence. Whether monetary policy is working or not, is another matter!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
