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		<title>By: RichieP</title>
		<link>http://charlottegore.com/2009/11/09/browns-letter.html/comment-page-1#comment-8306</link>
		<dc:creator>RichieP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 12:10:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Take a look at this. Hannan is hardly one of GB&#039;s cheerleaders.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100016498/gordon-brown-doesnt-deserve-this-criticism/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Take a look at this. Hannan is hardly one of GB&#8217;s cheerleaders.</p>
<p><a href="http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100016498/gordon-brown-doesnt-deserve-this-criticism/" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100016498/gordon-brown-doesnt-deserve-this-criticism/</a></p>
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		<title>By: RichieP</title>
		<link>http://charlottegore.com/2009/11/09/browns-letter.html/comment-page-1#comment-8304</link>
		<dc:creator>RichieP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 10:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the point I was actually trying to make was that if you don&#039;t have a personal/friendship/family connection and you want/need to write to bereaved people, a structure and understanding of the important things to say helps. We deal with death in an odd, roundabout way nowadays but socially there are still ritualised qualities and expectations attached to how we go about it and which need to be observed. That old poem Brahn Boots sums up how mixed up we can become in the face of it.

http://www.monologues.co.uk/Brahn_Boots.html

(And no punning or facetious reference intended here.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the point I was actually trying to make was that if you don&#8217;t have a personal/friendship/family connection and you want/need to write to bereaved people, a structure and understanding of the important things to say helps. We deal with death in an odd, roundabout way nowadays but socially there are still ritualised qualities and expectations attached to how we go about it and which need to be observed. That old poem Brahn Boots sums up how mixed up we can become in the face of it.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.monologues.co.uk/Brahn_Boots.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.monologues.co.uk/Brahn_Boots.html</a></p>
<p>(And no punning or facetious reference intended here.)</p>
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		<title>By: RichieP</title>
		<link>http://charlottegore.com/2009/11/09/browns-letter.html/comment-page-1#comment-8303</link>
		<dc:creator>RichieP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 09:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jonathan

Perhaps I wasn&#039;t very clear: the general shape of the letter is relatively and loosely formulaic - look at any sympathy card in a newsagents as example, people expect certain things to be expressed -  but it&#039;s desperately important to personalise it as far as is possible. I certainly wouldn&#039;t send out some kind of bland pro forma, with each letter simply being a direct clone of another. If I actually know the person I will talk personally about what I know about him/her in as unstilted a way as possible. When you don&#039;t know someone it&#039;s much more difficult to do that and a general format is a helpful guide to making sure you say the important things. And, in any case, my letters are also offers of help and support and will result in me dealing directly and in person with the bereaved family. That&#039;s the toughest part to get right and it&#039;s that that went very badly wrong in the subsequent phone call GB made. 
Please note though that I don&#039;t however pretend here that what I have to do in any way equates to writing to the mum of a dead soldier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jonathan</p>
<p>Perhaps I wasn&#8217;t very clear: the general shape of the letter is relatively and loosely formulaic &#8211; look at any sympathy card in a newsagents as example, people expect certain things to be expressed &#8211;  but it&#8217;s desperately important to personalise it as far as is possible. I certainly wouldn&#8217;t send out some kind of bland pro forma, with each letter simply being a direct clone of another. If I actually know the person I will talk personally about what I know about him/her in as unstilted a way as possible. When you don&#8217;t know someone it&#8217;s much more difficult to do that and a general format is a helpful guide to making sure you say the important things. And, in any case, my letters are also offers of help and support and will result in me dealing directly and in person with the bereaved family. That&#8217;s the toughest part to get right and it&#8217;s that that went very badly wrong in the subsequent phone call GB made.<br />
Please note though that I don&#8217;t however pretend here that what I have to do in any way equates to writing to the mum of a dead soldier.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Hickey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Hickey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:31:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonathan,
Charlotte doesn&#039;t have anything to apologise for. I don&#039;t think she offended anyone as such (I was one of the people who was arguing with her most vociferously, and I don&#039;t do offence). I think she did say &#039;sorry&#039; on Twitter, but either way, she didn&#039;t do anything that hurt anybody and she admitted that her initial tweets were in bad taste...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan,<br />
Charlotte doesn&#8217;t have anything to apologise for. I don&#8217;t think she offended anyone as such (I was one of the people who was arguing with her most vociferously, and I don&#8217;t do offence). I think she did say &#8217;sorry&#8217; on Twitter, but either way, she didn&#8217;t do anything that hurt anybody and she admitted that her initial tweets were in bad taste&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://charlottegore.com/2009/11/09/browns-letter.html/comment-page-1#comment-8288</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Charlotte, 

Great blog by the way - it&#039;s my first comment post, although I&#039;ve been marvelling at your intellectual consistency for some time now!

You&#039;ve got a lot of credit for your about turn - but you didn&#039;t specifically apologise (the post was a politician&#039;s non-apology apology - whereas Gordo at least manned up and did apologise (for this, even if he hasn&#039;t for everything else). 

I&#039;m not saying you owe anyone an apology, but if you&#039;re going to do an about turn because you feel like an arsehole, it may be an idea to apologise to those who made you realise you were being an arsehole if they were offended by your letters. Just if we&#039;re talking about attention to detail and stuff you understand... 

Unless of course, you&#039;ve handwritten your apology (and spell checked it, and run it by Max Clifford) already. 

Incidentally, RichieP, having been on the receiving end of condolence letters (not that that makes me any more qualified to comment, so I don&#039;t really know why I&#039;m mentioning it) it&#039;s probably not a good idea to tell people that you&#039;re using a formula. Kind of spoils the personalisation of it all...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Charlotte, </p>
<p>Great blog by the way &#8211; it&#8217;s my first comment post, although I&#8217;ve been marvelling at your intellectual consistency for some time now!</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve got a lot of credit for your about turn &#8211; but you didn&#8217;t specifically apologise (the post was a politician&#8217;s non-apology apology &#8211; whereas Gordo at least manned up and did apologise (for this, even if he hasn&#8217;t for everything else). </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying you owe anyone an apology, but if you&#8217;re going to do an about turn because you feel like an arsehole, it may be an idea to apologise to those who made you realise you were being an arsehole if they were offended by your letters. Just if we&#8217;re talking about attention to detail and stuff you understand&#8230; </p>
<p>Unless of course, you&#8217;ve handwritten your apology (and spell checked it, and run it by Max Clifford) already. </p>
<p>Incidentally, RichieP, having been on the receiving end of condolence letters (not that that makes me any more qualified to comment, so I don&#8217;t really know why I&#8217;m mentioning it) it&#8217;s probably not a good idea to tell people that you&#8217;re using a formula. Kind of spoils the personalisation of it all&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: RichieP</title>
		<link>http://charlottegore.com/2009/11/09/browns-letter.html/comment-page-1#comment-8287</link>
		<dc:creator>RichieP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Three or four times every year, I have to write condolence letters to the families of work colleagues who&#039;ve died, colleagues who I might not even have known by sight, never mind their more personal aspects. It&#039;s difficult, even though condolence letters are relatively formulaic (as was Gordo&#039;s I noted). 

The issue isn&#039;t the formula - most people are just glad that someone is at least attempting to show some sympathy for and understanding of their bereavement. The difficulty comes in ensuring that you get it all right - names, details etc. That seems to me to be one of the most crucial aspects, because it&#039;s the bit that the families *will notice if I get something wrong; I also realise that I *will upset them if I make errors. I check them several times over for precisely this reason.

I&#039;m not the PM, I&#039;m an ordinary person who tries to take care over such things because I know it&#039;s important to the recipients. And that&#039;s where Gordo seems to lack any real insight into the situation. If he doesn&#039;t do empathy, as so many people claim, then he simply wouldn&#039;t grasp this point. But someone on his staff should have done and that letter should simply not have gone out as it was - and it&#039;s therefore pretty understandable to say, especially in the emotionally charged issue of a soldier killed, that Gordo was insulting and frankly incompetent in his approach to this task. Do it properly or not at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Three or four times every year, I have to write condolence letters to the families of work colleagues who&#8217;ve died, colleagues who I might not even have known by sight, never mind their more personal aspects. It&#8217;s difficult, even though condolence letters are relatively formulaic (as was Gordo&#8217;s I noted). </p>
<p>The issue isn&#8217;t the formula &#8211; most people are just glad that someone is at least attempting to show some sympathy for and understanding of their bereavement. The difficulty comes in ensuring that you get it all right &#8211; names, details etc. That seems to me to be one of the most crucial aspects, because it&#8217;s the bit that the families *will notice if I get something wrong; I also realise that I *will upset them if I make errors. I check them several times over for precisely this reason.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not the PM, I&#8217;m an ordinary person who tries to take care over such things because I know it&#8217;s important to the recipients. And that&#8217;s where Gordo seems to lack any real insight into the situation. If he doesn&#8217;t do empathy, as so many people claim, then he simply wouldn&#8217;t grasp this point. But someone on his staff should have done and that letter should simply not have gone out as it was &#8211; and it&#8217;s therefore pretty understandable to say, especially in the emotionally charged issue of a soldier killed, that Gordo was insulting and frankly incompetent in his approach to this task. Do it properly or not at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Rankersbo (Simon Jerram)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rankersbo (Simon Jerram)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 09:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In her period of grief Mrs Janes&#039; response is understandable. Understandable but not reasonable.

The Sun&#039;s exploitation of this woman&#039;s state of mind to score a cheap point is dispicable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In her period of grief Mrs Janes&#8217; response is understandable. Understandable but not reasonable.</p>
<p>The Sun&#8217;s exploitation of this woman&#8217;s state of mind to score a cheap point is dispicable.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:39:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the problem with this country.
Stop being so gulible.
“It doesn’t ‘prove’he doesn’t care about the troops.It doesn’t prove he doesn’t care about the grieving relatives”?
It FAR from proves he does either.
It proves he doesn’t care about the post and office he holds.
It proves he has NO respect for his position as Britain’s Prime Minister.
It proves he is lazy at best and shoddy at worst.
It proves he is unthinking, settled for a condolence letter with shoddy errors(spellcheck/dictionary)and sent it to a dead soldier’s mother with mistakes crossed out.On top of that gets the names wrong.
NO excuses,NO sympathy,NO respect…and believe me I know it is mutual on Brown’s side.He respects nothing.
He does not respect himself enough to make sure he does things right.We are just meant to be grateful the poor excuse of a man and Prime Minister did it in the first place. What a cop out.
The lady who recieved this scrawl probably wishes he HAD NOT BOTHERED.(And it showed he didn’t).
He does NOT need two eyes to know how to spell.
This is not the local fool, this is the PRIME MINISTER we are talking about.
PRIME- of the first importance, of the highest eminence
or significance,a prime example.
MINISTER- a person appointed by or under the authority of a sovereign or head of a government to some HIGH OFFICE of STATE.
Harsh? NOT when you think WHO the letter came from,
WHO was receiving it and under what circumstances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the problem with this country.<br />
Stop being so gulible.<br />
“It doesn’t ‘prove’he doesn’t care about the troops.It doesn’t prove he doesn’t care about the grieving relatives”?<br />
It FAR from proves he does either.<br />
It proves he doesn’t care about the post and office he holds.<br />
It proves he has NO respect for his position as Britain’s Prime Minister.<br />
It proves he is lazy at best and shoddy at worst.<br />
It proves he is unthinking, settled for a condolence letter with shoddy errors(spellcheck/dictionary)and sent it to a dead soldier’s mother with mistakes crossed out.On top of that gets the names wrong.<br />
NO excuses,NO sympathy,NO respect…and believe me I know it is mutual on Brown’s side.He respects nothing.<br />
He does not respect himself enough to make sure he does things right.We are just meant to be grateful the poor excuse of a man and Prime Minister did it in the first place. What a cop out.<br />
The lady who recieved this scrawl probably wishes he HAD NOT BOTHERED.(And it showed he didn’t).<br />
He does NOT need two eyes to know how to spell.<br />
This is not the local fool, this is the PRIME MINISTER we are talking about.<br />
PRIME- of the first importance, of the highest eminence<br />
or significance,a prime example.<br />
MINISTER- a person appointed by or under the authority of a sovereign or head of a government to some HIGH OFFICE of STATE.<br />
Harsh? NOT when you think WHO the letter came from,<br />
WHO was receiving it and under what circumstances.</p>
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		<title>By: NickofTime</title>
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		<dc:creator>NickofTime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rankersbo and Matthew Huntbach, you are both decent and charitable people to think the way you do and it is a credit to you. Unfortunately our prime minister has neither of these qualities and neither is he nice or reasonable. I am sorry but again imho he has used up any possibility of benefit of the doubt because he has been caught holding the reins of a thoroughly nasty, snide, intrusive and arrogant governing party, who have destroyed so much of our once proud nation. 

Meandering Mammal, you are right that the other parties are probably as bad concerning the armed forces as the present incumbents, but this lot have damaged so much of our culture, heritage and national pride (not JUST our armed forces) that there is simply nothing left in us (well, in me anyway) to cut them any slack on any matter whatsoever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rankersbo and Matthew Huntbach, you are both decent and charitable people to think the way you do and it is a credit to you. Unfortunately our prime minister has neither of these qualities and neither is he nice or reasonable. I am sorry but again imho he has used up any possibility of benefit of the doubt because he has been caught holding the reins of a thoroughly nasty, snide, intrusive and arrogant governing party, who have destroyed so much of our once proud nation. </p>
<p>Meandering Mammal, you are right that the other parties are probably as bad concerning the armed forces as the present incumbents, but this lot have damaged so much of our culture, heritage and national pride (not JUST our armed forces) that there is simply nothing left in us (well, in me anyway) to cut them any slack on any matter whatsoever.</p>
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		<title>By: JuliaM</title>
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		<dc:creator>JuliaM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:11:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;The difference it makes, Julia, is that if Mrs Janes is doing it for money...&quot;&lt;/i&gt; 

Oh, I doubt that. The &#039;Sun&#039; is certainly doing it for money (to wit: circulation) but I don&#039;t think anything other than grief and vengence is motivating Mrs Janes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;The difference it makes, Julia, is that if Mrs Janes is doing it for money&#8230;&#8221;</i> </p>
<p>Oh, I doubt that. The &#8216;Sun&#8217; is certainly doing it for money (to wit: circulation) but I don&#8217;t think anything other than grief and vengence is motivating Mrs Janes.</p>
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