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		<title>By: Gregory</title>
		<link>http://charlottegore.com/2009/11/19/the-end-of-the-free-internet-in-britain.html/comment-page-1#comment-8525</link>
		<dc:creator>Gregory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 07:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>New Labour has a remarkable talent for finding the very worst person to lead technical anything. There are quite a few of billion dollar examples of dumbness.

For example, a special force, Chinook, is going to cost money, it has to whizz  low, in the dark, with other stuff hanging around static,  with cluster munitions being spread, with ultra-high rate weapons popping away from above into the ground.

It is also not ( entirely) unknown for an enemy requiring the attention of special forces, to fire back.   Only the Brits would buy a a budget version and tell Boeing they would delegate a sixth form at a tech academy or whatever, to juice the thing up.

The internet?

The Brits tend to franchise out their working philosophy to Senator Shelby&#039;s chums.  If we are talking about the internet, the key players generally view Brit govt. ministers as plonkers, the industry is not impressed re: Brit savvy.

I don&#039;t think smart policing is within the realm of the possible re: Britain.  

How important was the war against the IRA, re: billions of dollars of damage in the City of London, how well did they do?  Even with a few decades run-in, &#039;clueless&#039; is very often the short verdict. 

It isn&#039;t easy to move a truck full of ANFO to the city of London from South Armagh, it was only possible, because the Brits were not that smart.

&quot;Again New Labour demonstrating that they have a complete inability to vet prospective policies based on affordability, practicality and chiefly value for money. Copyright theft is a criminal act in this country and as such government has a responsibility to police it, however his shouldn’t be at the expense of our civil liberty&quot;

Well, the Brits don&#039;t do privacy.

Gregory</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New Labour has a remarkable talent for finding the very worst person to lead technical anything. There are quite a few of billion dollar examples of dumbness.</p>
<p>For example, a special force, Chinook, is going to cost money, it has to whizz  low, in the dark, with other stuff hanging around static,  with cluster munitions being spread, with ultra-high rate weapons popping away from above into the ground.</p>
<p>It is also not ( entirely) unknown for an enemy requiring the attention of special forces, to fire back.   Only the Brits would buy a a budget version and tell Boeing they would delegate a sixth form at a tech academy or whatever, to juice the thing up.</p>
<p>The internet?</p>
<p>The Brits tend to franchise out their working philosophy to Senator Shelby&#8217;s chums.  If we are talking about the internet, the key players generally view Brit govt. ministers as plonkers, the industry is not impressed re: Brit savvy.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think smart policing is within the realm of the possible re: Britain.  </p>
<p>How important was the war against the IRA, re: billions of dollars of damage in the City of London, how well did they do?  Even with a few decades run-in, &#8216;clueless&#8217; is very often the short verdict. </p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t easy to move a truck full of ANFO to the city of London from South Armagh, it was only possible, because the Brits were not that smart.</p>
<p>&#8220;Again New Labour demonstrating that they have a complete inability to vet prospective policies based on affordability, practicality and chiefly value for money. Copyright theft is a criminal act in this country and as such government has a responsibility to police it, however his shouldn’t be at the expense of our civil liberty&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, the Brits don&#8217;t do privacy.</p>
<p>Gregory</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 15:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sure this isn&#039;t the first time Mandy has used the backdoor to try and slip something in.

Sorry for that, but the proposed policy is the real bad joke here. A free internet should be as precious as every town/city having a library. The manipulation and control of information is at odds with the mythical brand of democracy that we force feed the rest of the world with.

Again New Labour demonstrating that they have a complete inability to vet prospective policies based on affordability, practicality and chiefly value for money. Copyright theft is a criminal act in this country and as such government has a responsibility to police it, however his shouldn&#039;t be at the expense of our civil liberty. We have a right to protect our privacy as much as the copyright holders have an obligation to protect their copyright.

How far to right can these guys go?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure this isn&#8217;t the first time Mandy has used the backdoor to try and slip something in.</p>
<p>Sorry for that, but the proposed policy is the real bad joke here. A free internet should be as precious as every town/city having a library. The manipulation and control of information is at odds with the mythical brand of democracy that we force feed the rest of the world with.</p>
<p>Again New Labour demonstrating that they have a complete inability to vet prospective policies based on affordability, practicality and chiefly value for money. Copyright theft is a criminal act in this country and as such government has a responsibility to police it, however his shouldn&#8217;t be at the expense of our civil liberty. We have a right to protect our privacy as much as the copyright holders have an obligation to protect their copyright.</p>
<p>How far to right can these guys go?</p>
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		<title>By: Gregory</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gregory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 12:46:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.the-investigator.co.uk/viewnews.php?newsId=975

That&#039;s part of the story with the usual pro-Brit spin.

Rennie and some of his colleagues were simultaneously detected by investigators in the USA. The Brit media were not told of the other emails or disks.

If wifi is worth doing, it can be done.  

Though in the Scottish case they were using gay brothels as a 3D &#039;in-person&#039; bulletin board for a community interested in raping and murdering babies.

So hi-tech wasn&#039;t the solution, ordinary policing could have dealt with it years ago.

They had immunity.

Gregory</description>
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<p>That&#8217;s part of the story with the usual pro-Brit spin.</p>
<p>Rennie and some of his colleagues were simultaneously detected by investigators in the USA. The Brit media were not told of the other emails or disks.</p>
<p>If wifi is worth doing, it can be done.  </p>
<p>Though in the Scottish case they were using gay brothels as a 3D &#8216;in-person&#8217; bulletin board for a community interested in raping and murdering babies.</p>
<p>So hi-tech wasn&#8217;t the solution, ordinary policing could have dealt with it years ago.</p>
<p>They had immunity.</p>
<p>Gregory</p>
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		<title>By: Gregory</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gregory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 12:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Because of wireless internet, IP addresses are somewhat facile when trying to “trap” Internet “criminals” - as one can simply wander around until they find an insecure network and download off that.&quot;

James Rennie ( my old enemy) was detected in the USA by investigators there.  

(in Britain you didn&#039;t get to know that - and similarly, Nick Davies &#039;single sex slave&#039; article turned into a fair copy of Living Marixism out of a sheer ignorance of the background facts)

You can link wireless to static stuff eventually if you labor at it.  One just works at it. It can be like the old spycatcher/watcher thing.

Put a memory stick in a lead lined safe - and somebody in DC will spend money trying to read it from the back of a van.

Difficult - doesn&#039;t mean anything, impossible just means it is going to cost a lot of money. 

There is no such thing as private.

Gregory</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Because of wireless internet, IP addresses are somewhat facile when trying to “trap” Internet “criminals” &#8211; as one can simply wander around until they find an insecure network and download off that.&#8221;</p>
<p>James Rennie ( my old enemy) was detected in the USA by investigators there.  </p>
<p>(in Britain you didn&#8217;t get to know that &#8211; and similarly, Nick Davies &#8217;single sex slave&#8217; article turned into a fair copy of Living Marixism out of a sheer ignorance of the background facts)</p>
<p>You can link wireless to static stuff eventually if you labor at it.  One just works at it. It can be like the old spycatcher/watcher thing.</p>
<p>Put a memory stick in a lead lined safe &#8211; and somebody in DC will spend money trying to read it from the back of a van.</p>
<p>Difficult &#8211; doesn&#8217;t mean anything, impossible just means it is going to cost a lot of money. </p>
<p>There is no such thing as private.</p>
<p>Gregory</p>
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		<title>By: FaustiesBlog</title>
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		<dc:creator>FaustiesBlog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 12:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama is in bed with the corporations to a dangerous degree.

Whereas in decades past, the lawmakers were Congressmen and the Senate, these days, law is &lt;b&gt;drafted by corporations&lt;/b&gt; and passed to Congress to ratify. 

Corporations literally buy politicians, who therefore have little or no interest in vetting the laws which they are paid handsomely to sell to their cronies and the public at large.

They are the traitors of our age.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama is in bed with the corporations to a dangerous degree.</p>
<p>Whereas in decades past, the lawmakers were Congressmen and the Senate, these days, law is <b>drafted by corporations</b> and passed to Congress to ratify. </p>
<p>Corporations literally buy politicians, who therefore have little or no interest in vetting the laws which they are paid handsomely to sell to their cronies and the public at large.</p>
<p>They are the traitors of our age.</p>
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		<title>By: Philip Hunt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Philip Hunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tristan,

You&#039;re right, ACTA is very bad and will make the Digital Economy Bill look positively benign. That&#039;s why we need a strong &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pirateparty.org.uk/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Pirate Party&lt;/a&gt; to fight this nonsense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tristan,</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right, ACTA is very bad and will make the Digital Economy Bill look positively benign. That&#8217;s why we need a strong <a href="http://www.pirateparty.org.uk/" rel="nofollow">Pirate Party</a> to fight this nonsense.</p>
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		<title>By: aron</title>
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		<dc:creator>aron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;With the sheer amount of Internet traffic these days........&quot;

Your missing the point, it&#039;s not about controlling the internet, it&#039;s about being able to control individuals.  China can&#039;t stop &quot;the people&quot; from breaking the rules, but they can stop &quot;A Person&quot; and punish them.


&quot;If you don’t like this misguided and illiberal proposal I suggest you join Tom Watson’s facebook group against it.&quot;

I&#039;d rather piss in the wind, it will have more effect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;With the sheer amount of Internet traffic these days&#8230;&#8230;..&#8221;</p>
<p>Your missing the point, it&#8217;s not about controlling the internet, it&#8217;s about being able to control individuals.  China can&#8217;t stop &#8220;the people&#8221; from breaking the rules, but they can stop &#8220;A Person&#8221; and punish them.</p>
<p>&#8220;If you don’t like this misguided and illiberal proposal I suggest you join Tom Watson’s facebook group against it.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;d rather piss in the wind, it will have more effect.</p>
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		<title>By: Philip Hunt</title>
		<link>http://charlottegore.com/2009/11/19/the-end-of-the-free-internet-in-britain.html/comment-page-1#comment-8476</link>
		<dc:creator>Philip Hunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 22:33:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you don&#039;t like this misguided and illiberal proposal I suggest you join &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tom-watson.co.uk/2009/11/a-fair-say-on-copyright-reform/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Tom Watson&lt;/a&gt;&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=175469073341&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;facebook group&lt;/a&gt; against it.

You can also:

Join the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=102577189324&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Pirate Party&#039;s facebook group&lt;/a&gt;

TalkTalk&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dontdisconnect.us/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Don&#039;t Disconnect Us&lt;/a&gt; campaign has a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=153396246357&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;facebook group&lt;/a&gt; and a &lt;a href=&quot;http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/dontdisconnectus/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;petition&lt;/a&gt; you can sign.

Join the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pirateparty.org.uk/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Pirate Party&lt;/a&gt; and the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.openrightsgroup.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Open Rights Group&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you don&#8217;t like this misguided and illiberal proposal I suggest you join <a href="http://www.tom-watson.co.uk/2009/11/a-fair-say-on-copyright-reform/" rel="nofollow">Tom Watson</a>&#8217;s <a href="http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=175469073341" rel="nofollow">facebook group</a> against it.</p>
<p>You can also:</p>
<p>Join the <a href="http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=102577189324" rel="nofollow">Pirate Party&#8217;s facebook group</a></p>
<p>TalkTalk&#8217;s <a href="http://www.dontdisconnect.us/" rel="nofollow">Don&#8217;t Disconnect Us</a> campaign has a <a href="http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=153396246357" rel="nofollow">facebook group</a> and a <a href="http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/dontdisconnectus/" rel="nofollow">petition</a> you can sign.</p>
<p>Join the <a href="http://www.pirateparty.org.uk/" rel="nofollow">Pirate Party</a> and the <a href="http://www.openrightsgroup.org/" rel="nofollow">Open Rights Group</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tristan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tristan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 22:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also see Obama&#039;s support for ACTA (although its a all secret - National Security apparently - corporate America is the only America that matters apparently), which will have similar effects for all signatories.

The human cost of this will also be huge - already people are being put through hell after being falsely accused of file sharing. Many just pay the hundreds of pounds demanded by the lawyers just to make it all go away...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also see Obama&#8217;s support for ACTA (although its a all secret &#8211; National Security apparently &#8211; corporate America is the only America that matters apparently), which will have similar effects for all signatories.</p>
<p>The human cost of this will also be huge &#8211; already people are being put through hell after being falsely accused of file sharing. Many just pay the hundreds of pounds demanded by the lawyers just to make it all go away&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: sconzey</title>
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		<dc:creator>sconzey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 21:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You say: &quot;Unjust Bansturbantion!&quot;

I say: &quot;Business Opportunity!&quot;

Black market internet: a permanently secured net neutrality, an entire generation comfortable users of counter-economics</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You say: &#8220;Unjust Bansturbantion!&#8221;</p>
<p>I say: &#8220;Business Opportunity!&#8221;</p>
<p>Black market internet: a permanently secured net neutrality, an entire generation comfortable users of counter-economics</p>
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