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		<title>By: Pejorative Puppy</title>
		<link>http://charlottegore.com/2009/11/20/comment-is-linked-asbos-for-downloaders.html/comment-page-1#comment-8566</link>
		<dc:creator>Pejorative Puppy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 06:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because there was limited production capacity, I sold options on CD production.  

The CD release could also be on a different label, such was the novelty. 

I wish I could sell options on copyright violation,  or is that what some dudes are doing, if so far-out, 

why do ya care, do you pay tax, I feckin don&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because there was limited production capacity, I sold options on CD production.  </p>
<p>The CD release could also be on a different label, such was the novelty. </p>
<p>I wish I could sell options on copyright violation,  or is that what some dudes are doing, if so far-out, </p>
<p>why do ya care, do you pay tax, I feckin don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Stu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LFaT, I&#039;m still unclear on whether there&#039;s a need for any policy at all. What exactly is the real-world problem we&#039;re supposedly trying to fix? The record industry is more profitable now than it was in the 90&#039;s. Services like iTunes and Spotify have legitimised online music and taken the wind out of the illegal file-sharing communities. The problems have solved themselves independently of Government intervention.

It is, in effect, the best example ever of how &lt;em&gt;doing nothing&lt;/em&gt; can be a fantastic policy platform. Why can&#039;t we do &lt;em&gt;that?&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LFaT, I&#8217;m still unclear on whether there&#8217;s a need for any policy at all. What exactly is the real-world problem we&#8217;re supposedly trying to fix? The record industry is more profitable now than it was in the 90&#8217;s. Services like iTunes and Spotify have legitimised online music and taken the wind out of the illegal file-sharing communities. The problems have solved themselves independently of Government intervention.</p>
<p>It is, in effect, the best example ever of how <em>doing nothing</em> can be a fantastic policy platform. Why can&#8217;t we do <em>that?</em></p>
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		<title>By: aron</title>
		<link>http://charlottegore.com/2009/11/20/comment-is-linked-asbos-for-downloaders.html/comment-page-1#comment-8528</link>
		<dc:creator>aron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 10:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Mandelson’s plans are indeed ridiculous, but you haven’t put forward any better solutions - in fact, no-one has. Blunt, crude and illiberal Mandelson’s plans may be, but until someone puts together a workable policy that is affordable, fair and targetted then all of us Mandelson-haters are on pretty thin ice.&quot;

This coming from the guy who said we should discuss what should be &quot;allowed&quot; in video games, whilst refusing to discuss any evidence as to whether content actually causes harm.  You seem to have a &quot;X must be controlled&quot; mindset.

The proposed solutions are worse than the problem.  The only way copyright on the net can be enforced is to allow communications to be monintored, on a &quot;guilty until proven inoccent&quot; basis.

You can argue technical details and loopholes all day long, but really that&#039;s the basic *principle* that is at stake here, if you think enforcing copyright law is more important than liberty......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Mandelson’s plans are indeed ridiculous, but you haven’t put forward any better solutions &#8211; in fact, no-one has. Blunt, crude and illiberal Mandelson’s plans may be, but until someone puts together a workable policy that is affordable, fair and targetted then all of us Mandelson-haters are on pretty thin ice.&#8221;</p>
<p>This coming from the guy who said we should discuss what should be &#8220;allowed&#8221; in video games, whilst refusing to discuss any evidence as to whether content actually causes harm.  You seem to have a &#8220;X must be controlled&#8221; mindset.</p>
<p>The proposed solutions are worse than the problem.  The only way copyright on the net can be enforced is to allow communications to be monintored, on a &#8220;guilty until proven inoccent&#8221; basis.</p>
<p>You can argue technical details and loopholes all day long, but really that&#8217;s the basic *principle* that is at stake here, if you think enforcing copyright law is more important than liberty&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Letters From A Tory</title>
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		<dc:creator>Letters From A Tory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 09:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mandelson&#039;s plans are indeed ridiculous, but you haven&#039;t put forward any better solutions - in fact, no-one has.  Blunt, crude and illiberal Mandelson&#039;s plans may be, but until someone puts together a workable policy that is affordable, fair and targetted then all of us Mandelson-haters are on pretty thin ice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mandelson&#8217;s plans are indeed ridiculous, but you haven&#8217;t put forward any better solutions &#8211; in fact, no-one has.  Blunt, crude and illiberal Mandelson&#8217;s plans may be, but until someone puts together a workable policy that is affordable, fair and targetted then all of us Mandelson-haters are on pretty thin ice.</p>
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		<title>By: Gregory</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gregory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 12:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I was the first music industry personality to have European wide factory strikes.

My old band ( or one of them, a hobby, have taken the democracy out of copyright.  

They plonk it on vinyl, of whch there are as many types as wine, and flog it in an art gallery for a grand a pop.

You also get a framed factory flat, re: record sleeve.

So it is art ( I suppose)

Gregory</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I was the first music industry personality to have European wide factory strikes.</p>
<p>My old band ( or one of them, a hobby, have taken the democracy out of copyright.  </p>
<p>They plonk it on vinyl, of whch there are as many types as wine, and flog it in an art gallery for a grand a pop.</p>
<p>You also get a framed factory flat, re: record sleeve.</p>
<p>So it is art ( I suppose)</p>
<p>Gregory</p>
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		<title>By: Niklas Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Niklas Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 11:56:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another excellent article on this subject: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/nov/20/copyright-digital-economy-cyberlockers-rights&quot; title=&quot;Why are cyberlockers suddenly such a problem, Lord Mandelson?&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Why are cyberlockers suddenly such a problem, Lord Mandelson?&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another excellent article on this subject: <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/nov/20/copyright-digital-economy-cyberlockers-rights" title="Why are cyberlockers suddenly such a problem, Lord Mandelson?" rel="nofollow">Why are cyberlockers suddenly such a problem, Lord Mandelson?</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Gregory</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gregory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 17:50:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039; A statistic. on average between 1933 and 1945, in the WHOLE of the Ruhr Gebiet, ie Düsseldorf, Duisssburg, Dortmund, Essen, Bochum, etc, there were only EIGHT full time Gestapo men.&#039;

The German public were reasonably supportive, the Gestapo, could be very tolerating,  unless one was Jewish etc.

compared to the Soviet state security, not many, there were just enough Gestapo to go around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216; A statistic. on average between 1933 and 1945, in the WHOLE of the Ruhr Gebiet, ie Düsseldorf, Duisssburg, Dortmund, Essen, Bochum, etc, there were only EIGHT full time Gestapo men.&#8217;</p>
<p>The German public were reasonably supportive, the Gestapo, could be very tolerating,  unless one was Jewish etc.</p>
<p>compared to the Soviet state security, not many, there were just enough Gestapo to go around.</p>
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		<title>By: Von Spreuth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Von Spreuth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 08:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>XX JuliaM said...

20 Nov 09 at 6:35 pm 

“Check what i am downloading, I.E monitor my personal communications..”

They’d never have the manpower to do this. XX

Ah. a TOUCHING nievity.

They do not HAVE to.

The beuty of the spying T.V in &quot;1984&quot;, and of &quot;Big Brither&quot; himself (or his agents), was that Smith never KNEW if he was been watched or not.

They only have to put the shits up fifteen or twenty people in one single neighbourhood, per day, then blow it up all over the news, and hey presto, EVERY one is to shit scared to fart without permission*.

THAT is why the T.V is FULL of such crap as &quot;Motorway police live&quot;, or whatever it uiis called there, or &quot;C.S.I&quot;, etc. It is like the water drip torture. EVENTUALY you will be brainwashed into thinking you MUST get caught, just like on T.V.

* A statistic. on average between 1933 and 1945, in the WHOLE of the Ruhr Gebiet, ie Düsseldorf, Duisssburg, Dortmund, Essen, Bochum, etc, there were only EIGHT full time Gestapo men.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>XX JuliaM said&#8230;</p>
<p>20 Nov 09 at 6:35 pm </p>
<p>“Check what i am downloading, I.E monitor my personal communications..”</p>
<p>They’d never have the manpower to do this. XX</p>
<p>Ah. a TOUCHING nievity.</p>
<p>They do not HAVE to.</p>
<p>The beuty of the spying T.V in &#8220;1984&#8243;, and of &#8220;Big Brither&#8221; himself (or his agents), was that Smith never KNEW if he was been watched or not.</p>
<p>They only have to put the shits up fifteen or twenty people in one single neighbourhood, per day, then blow it up all over the news, and hey presto, EVERY one is to shit scared to fart without permission*.</p>
<p>THAT is why the T.V is FULL of such crap as &#8220;Motorway police live&#8221;, or whatever it uiis called there, or &#8220;C.S.I&#8221;, etc. It is like the water drip torture. EVENTUALY you will be brainwashed into thinking you MUST get caught, just like on T.V.</p>
<p>* A statistic. on average between 1933 and 1945, in the WHOLE of the Ruhr Gebiet, ie Düsseldorf, Duisssburg, Dortmund, Essen, Bochum, etc, there were only EIGHT full time Gestapo men.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Lockett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Lockett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 19:17:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It isn&#039;t just your internet connection.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://plockett.blogspot.com/2009/11/two-approaches-to-internet.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Mandelson&#039;s coming for your domain name&lt;/a&gt; too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It isn&#8217;t just your internet connection.  <a href="http://plockett.blogspot.com/2009/11/two-approaches-to-internet.html" rel="nofollow">Mandelson&#8217;s coming for your domain name</a> too.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Thornhill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger Thornhill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If is a fencepost. 

When they want to haul certain people up on it, they can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If is a fencepost. </p>
<p>When they want to haul certain people up on it, they can.</p>
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