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		<title>By: Liberal Conspiracy &#187; Does socialism really cause racism?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liberal Conspiracy &#187; Does socialism really cause racism?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 13:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] month DK&#8217;s quote of the day from Charlotte Gore and her post inspired by Hayek&#8217;s Road To Serfdom.  It may be that the socialists are the most [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Does Socialism cause Racism? &#171; Left Outside</title>
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		<dc:creator>Does Socialism cause Racism? &#171; Left Outside</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 20:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] month DK&#8217;s quote of the day from Charlotte Gore and her post inspired by Hayek&#8217;s Road To Serfdom. It may be that the socialists are the most [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Winston the Smithy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Winston the Smithy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 05:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The only way to stop National Socialism in the UK is to stop socialism.&quot;

And how on earth do you propose that? You&#039;ve have a far better chance of contacting the captain of the Marie Celeste for goodness sake.
Go to any state school, college and University campus and not only will you see socialism rife within, not forgetting that the overwhelming majority of lecturers happen to also be, that is unless their not members of the Communist party, but you&#039;ll also see that it&#039;s the mantra of most students. Forget Conservatism or Libertarianism. Notice how I don&#039;t say Liberalism, for the simple reason that it&#039;s now fully merged into one homogeneous blob with socialism?

Our younger generations, since the 60&#039;s have been indoctrinated by Socialism. Walk along the street in London and go past an SWP stand - students, at the ripe old age of 20, telling us all how we should live our lives.

In the past, politicians, school teachers, professors, policemen, in fact anyone in any major establishment was in charge, because of their experience, common sense and understanding if the University of Life. Look at it today, leaders of Conservative and Liberal parties in their early 40s, along with the lecturers, head teachers and police.

I&#039;m 38, but I shake my head in realisation that &quot;here we go again&quot; some plum, just out of their nappies, controlling everyone&#039;s lives and no doubt about to make some major f*ck ups for everyone.

We are living in an ageist society, where if you&#039;re over the age of 25 don&#039;t think about a career in music. In fact if you&#039;re over 30, your on the scrap heap for employment. We want pretty young things, whom like putty, we can mould into what we want them to be.

Thankfully in the past, we had our elders and those who had acquired wisdom to keep society straight. Sure there were always the young upstarts with their grandiose ideas of Utopia, freedom and peace for all, but they were kept in check by their elders and upon growing older, understanding life better they were thankful for their elders &quot;reigning them in.&quot;
Now however, we have no one to reign anyone in and keep them in check. We have the problem of the socialists getting into power, who continually make mistake after mistake after mistake and it&#039;s always the public who have to put up with it and pay the price. Then again it&#039;s the public who vote these twits in, that is, if they do vote in political elections. It seems all are now far too interested in voting on Cowell TV 4 or 5 times a year or so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The only way to stop National Socialism in the UK is to stop socialism.&#8221;</p>
<p>And how on earth do you propose that? You&#8217;ve have a far better chance of contacting the captain of the Marie Celeste for goodness sake.<br />
Go to any state school, college and University campus and not only will you see socialism rife within, not forgetting that the overwhelming majority of lecturers happen to also be, that is unless their not members of the Communist party, but you&#8217;ll also see that it&#8217;s the mantra of most students. Forget Conservatism or Libertarianism. Notice how I don&#8217;t say Liberalism, for the simple reason that it&#8217;s now fully merged into one homogeneous blob with socialism?</p>
<p>Our younger generations, since the 60&#8242;s have been indoctrinated by Socialism. Walk along the street in London and go past an SWP stand &#8211; students, at the ripe old age of 20, telling us all how we should live our lives.</p>
<p>In the past, politicians, school teachers, professors, policemen, in fact anyone in any major establishment was in charge, because of their experience, common sense and understanding if the University of Life. Look at it today, leaders of Conservative and Liberal parties in their early 40s, along with the lecturers, head teachers and police.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m 38, but I shake my head in realisation that &#8220;here we go again&#8221; some plum, just out of their nappies, controlling everyone&#8217;s lives and no doubt about to make some major f*ck ups for everyone.</p>
<p>We are living in an ageist society, where if you&#8217;re over the age of 25 don&#8217;t think about a career in music. In fact if you&#8217;re over 30, your on the scrap heap for employment. We want pretty young things, whom like putty, we can mould into what we want them to be.</p>
<p>Thankfully in the past, we had our elders and those who had acquired wisdom to keep society straight. Sure there were always the young upstarts with their grandiose ideas of Utopia, freedom and peace for all, but they were kept in check by their elders and upon growing older, understanding life better they were thankful for their elders &#8220;reigning them in.&#8221;<br />
Now however, we have no one to reign anyone in and keep them in check. We have the problem of the socialists getting into power, who continually make mistake after mistake after mistake and it&#8217;s always the public who have to put up with it and pay the price. Then again it&#8217;s the public who vote these twits in, that is, if they do vote in political elections. It seems all are now far too interested in voting on Cowell TV 4 or 5 times a year or so.</p>
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		<title>By: Winston the Smithy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Winston the Smithy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 05:27:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While you mention some points I agree with, you fail to see the underlying reality of the growth of immigrant populations, currently at a minority.

You speak of Pakistanis:

&quot;I look around the town where I live and I see a disturbing parallel – a hated and despised immigrant population (mostly from Pakistan) whose main source of employment appears to be either self employment or working for other people from Pakistan. Any poverty in the Pakistani community is hidden because the only interactions most white people have with them is when they order take-away, or go into a corner shop, or order a taxi.&quot;

Muslims associate with Muslims predominately. They do not want to associate with the &#039;infidels&#039; (that&#039;s you and me by the way) for they are taught that in their Koran. You won&#039;t see them down the pub or the social. They don&#039;t drink, but yet again associating with infidels and westerners.

More so, the majority of the Pakistani population in the UK is unemployed, the husband and wife are on the dole and he&#039;s doing a cash in hand job as a taxi/delivery driver for a takeaway. 
You will also find as well that their children, although born in the UK do not learn English or English literature first, but instead Urdu or Bengali. 

In essence you have people growing up in the UK, sectioning themselves off from the rest of society, creating their own ghettos and of course creating a problem for the future.

Tell me Charlotte, what happens when the majority of people in the UK are Muslim? Tell me also what happens when men within Islam are taught from an early age that women are half that of men and to do with with their pleasure? What also happens in a democratic country when the Muslims all decide to vote for the Sharia Party of the UK and then once in power, decide all women should be dressed from head to foot in a tent, all must convert to Islam and obey the will of Allah and of course all Sharia Law Courts take preference over English and Scottish Law courts. In fact, what happens when they just decide that seeing as they&#039;re the majority, they&#039;ll now destroy British Culture, implement a Muslim one, remove democracy completely and put in a supreme spiritual leader as they have in Iran?

Well you&#039;ve got 50 years to decide. I know you&#039;ll probably be dead, but you see, unlike our ancestors who gave their lives for our liberty and freedom, we have done nothing whatsoever to protect our future generations. We are handling them a hellish future. 

Could you imagine in WW1 and WW2 if the British people had the same political philosophies in control then as we do now? There would have been no retaliation against Hitler - &quot;Mustn&#039;t upset and offend the Germans. We&#039;re not being politically correct. How dare we abuse their human rights of wanting to invade Poland and eventually us? Better just get on with our lives, lie on our backs and put paper bags on our heads, waiting for the Germans to come and conquer us. We don&#039;t want to be looked upon as racists, good God no.&quot;

So what do you do Charlotte? Do you want to preserve a libertarian UK, or do you want to allow it to disappear, while foreign culture grow and eventually (as all culture do) fight for supremacy? Of course I&#039;m speaking of Islam, because there really is no other culture in the world that wants to dominate over everyone, imposing their culture upon all at pain of death.

The cracks are appearing in the dam, that will destroy you, your house and your quaint little village. Do you patch up the dam and stop any leaking of water or do you allow the cracks to get bigger, thus eventually creating a breach and total annihilation of your lovely little Utopia?

Islamisation is inevitable, purely by population growth. Muslims procreate far more than any other demographic, while ironically the indigenous are dying out, because of many factors - feminism, materialism, end of family, pro single parent and single child family etc etc.

So Charlotte, again, how do you solve the problem of Islamisation? Do you act on it, making sure it doesn&#039;t grow anymore (how would you do that?) or do you just like on your back with a paper bag on your head waiting for a supreme spiritual leader of Islam, to enforce your children (daughters) into wearing a black tent for the rest of their lives, because the men don&#039;t want to be held responsible for their actions of rape because they couldn&#039;t keep their dick in their pants?

It&#039;s a tough question isn&#039;t it? Are you a smart Libertarian who will use force in order to stop your demise, or are you a stupid libertarian who is against any use of force whatsoever?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While you mention some points I agree with, you fail to see the underlying reality of the growth of immigrant populations, currently at a minority.</p>
<p>You speak of Pakistanis:</p>
<p>&#8220;I look around the town where I live and I see a disturbing parallel – a hated and despised immigrant population (mostly from Pakistan) whose main source of employment appears to be either self employment or working for other people from Pakistan. Any poverty in the Pakistani community is hidden because the only interactions most white people have with them is when they order take-away, or go into a corner shop, or order a taxi.&#8221;</p>
<p>Muslims associate with Muslims predominately. They do not want to associate with the &#8216;infidels&#8217; (that&#8217;s you and me by the way) for they are taught that in their Koran. You won&#8217;t see them down the pub or the social. They don&#8217;t drink, but yet again associating with infidels and westerners.</p>
<p>More so, the majority of the Pakistani population in the UK is unemployed, the husband and wife are on the dole and he&#8217;s doing a cash in hand job as a taxi/delivery driver for a takeaway.<br />
You will also find as well that their children, although born in the UK do not learn English or English literature first, but instead Urdu or Bengali. </p>
<p>In essence you have people growing up in the UK, sectioning themselves off from the rest of society, creating their own ghettos and of course creating a problem for the future.</p>
<p>Tell me Charlotte, what happens when the majority of people in the UK are Muslim? Tell me also what happens when men within Islam are taught from an early age that women are half that of men and to do with with their pleasure? What also happens in a democratic country when the Muslims all decide to vote for the Sharia Party of the UK and then once in power, decide all women should be dressed from head to foot in a tent, all must convert to Islam and obey the will of Allah and of course all Sharia Law Courts take preference over English and Scottish Law courts. In fact, what happens when they just decide that seeing as they&#8217;re the majority, they&#8217;ll now destroy British Culture, implement a Muslim one, remove democracy completely and put in a supreme spiritual leader as they have in Iran?</p>
<p>Well you&#8217;ve got 50 years to decide. I know you&#8217;ll probably be dead, but you see, unlike our ancestors who gave their lives for our liberty and freedom, we have done nothing whatsoever to protect our future generations. We are handling them a hellish future. </p>
<p>Could you imagine in WW1 and WW2 if the British people had the same political philosophies in control then as we do now? There would have been no retaliation against Hitler &#8211; &#8220;Mustn&#8217;t upset and offend the Germans. We&#8217;re not being politically correct. How dare we abuse their human rights of wanting to invade Poland and eventually us? Better just get on with our lives, lie on our backs and put paper bags on our heads, waiting for the Germans to come and conquer us. We don&#8217;t want to be looked upon as racists, good God no.&#8221;</p>
<p>So what do you do Charlotte? Do you want to preserve a libertarian UK, or do you want to allow it to disappear, while foreign culture grow and eventually (as all culture do) fight for supremacy? Of course I&#8217;m speaking of Islam, because there really is no other culture in the world that wants to dominate over everyone, imposing their culture upon all at pain of death.</p>
<p>The cracks are appearing in the dam, that will destroy you, your house and your quaint little village. Do you patch up the dam and stop any leaking of water or do you allow the cracks to get bigger, thus eventually creating a breach and total annihilation of your lovely little Utopia?</p>
<p>Islamisation is inevitable, purely by population growth. Muslims procreate far more than any other demographic, while ironically the indigenous are dying out, because of many factors &#8211; feminism, materialism, end of family, pro single parent and single child family etc etc.</p>
<p>So Charlotte, again, how do you solve the problem of Islamisation? Do you act on it, making sure it doesn&#8217;t grow anymore (how would you do that?) or do you just like on your back with a paper bag on your head waiting for a supreme spiritual leader of Islam, to enforce your children (daughters) into wearing a black tent for the rest of their lives, because the men don&#8217;t want to be held responsible for their actions of rape because they couldn&#8217;t keep their dick in their pants?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a tough question isn&#8217;t it? Are you a smart Libertarian who will use force in order to stop your demise, or are you a stupid libertarian who is against any use of force whatsoever?</p>
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		<title>By: Greig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 05:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The first Labour PM was brought in (1924) on an anti-protectionist ticket.</description>
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		<title>By: Malcolm Todd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Malcolm Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 00:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To add my tuppenceworth to the fairly thorough debunking of this article on  its historical misconceptions, it&#039;s simply not true that &quot;it’s [Labour] who’ve spent the last 100 years telling everyone that Free Trade (which includes free movement of people) is a bad and terrible thing&quot;. Before WW2 at least the Labour Party was a firm adherent of free trade (while the Tories tended to be protectionist; don&#039;t know about the Liberals at that time - though they were certainly in favour of state intervention in the economy from Keynes&#039;s time).

http://www.labour-party.org.uk/manifestos</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To add my tuppenceworth to the fairly thorough debunking of this article on  its historical misconceptions, it&#8217;s simply not true that &#8220;it’s [Labour] who’ve spent the last 100 years telling everyone that Free Trade (which includes free movement of people) is a bad and terrible thing&#8221;. Before WW2 at least the Labour Party was a firm adherent of free trade (while the Tories tended to be protectionist; don&#8217;t know about the Liberals at that time &#8211; though they were certainly in favour of state intervention in the economy from Keynes&#8217;s time).</p>
<p><a href="http://www.labour-party.org.uk/manifestos" rel="nofollow">http://www.labour-party.org.uk/manifestos</a></p>
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		<title>By: Greig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 00:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In 1902 the issue was &#039;where&#039; the Jews were going, I think many of the people opposed, had no objections to Jewish settlement within the empire or more widely across Britain.  

Being opposed to the creation of a Jewish ghetto in London, is not exactly the same as being anti-semitic.  Though obviously anti-semitic types will be opposed as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In 1902 the issue was &#8216;where&#8217; the Jews were going, I think many of the people opposed, had no objections to Jewish settlement within the empire or more widely across Britain.  </p>
<p>Being opposed to the creation of a Jewish ghetto in London, is not exactly the same as being anti-semitic.  Though obviously anti-semitic types will be opposed as well.</p>
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		<title>By: donpaskini</title>
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		<dc:creator>donpaskini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 23:50:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Charlotte,

At the start of the 20th century, there were riots in the East End in protest about Jewish immigration, and in 1902 there were 45,000 members of the British Brothers League, which emphasised the economic problems caused by the immigrants, as well as attacking them as carriers of disease and for their supposed criminal tendencies.  There was hardly a welfare state to speak of, and the government pursued classically liberal economic policies.

In the 1950s, at the height of the consensus in favour of central planning and the welfare state, there were hardly any protests about the mass immigration which was taking place.

So it is just not the case that, &quot;As the state grows and “gives” more and more to the nationals in its jurisdiction, so the pressure grows to limit who counts as ‘in’ and who counts as ‘out’.&quot;

The greatest level of hostility to immigrants does not correlate with the size of the state, but with things like unemployment and poor housing.

On the rise of Hitler, Richard Evans&#039; books are good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Charlotte,</p>
<p>At the start of the 20th century, there were riots in the East End in protest about Jewish immigration, and in 1902 there were 45,000 members of the British Brothers League, which emphasised the economic problems caused by the immigrants, as well as attacking them as carriers of disease and for their supposed criminal tendencies.  There was hardly a welfare state to speak of, and the government pursued classically liberal economic policies.</p>
<p>In the 1950s, at the height of the consensus in favour of central planning and the welfare state, there were hardly any protests about the mass immigration which was taking place.</p>
<p>So it is just not the case that, &#8220;As the state grows and “gives” more and more to the nationals in its jurisdiction, so the pressure grows to limit who counts as ‘in’ and who counts as ‘out’.&#8221;</p>
<p>The greatest level of hostility to immigrants does not correlate with the size of the state, but with things like unemployment and poor housing.</p>
<p>On the rise of Hitler, Richard Evans&#8217; books are good.</p>
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		<title>By: David Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 20:47:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although, I personally am so far to the left that even the democrats appear to me to be &quot;right-wing,&quot; I consider myself to be a strict constitutionalist. It is my opinion that since its inception there has been an organized and systematic assault by the conservatives in the United States (and in the other industrialized nations) on the civil liberties written into the US Constitution. The “War on Drugs”; “War on Terror”; “War on Communism” and a host of other wars waged by the right wing are really nothing more than a War on People--an excuse to erode civil rights to the point of non-existence. I invite you to my website devoted to raising awareness on this puritan attack on freedom: http://pltcldscsn.blogspot.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although, I personally am so far to the left that even the democrats appear to me to be &#8220;right-wing,&#8221; I consider myself to be a strict constitutionalist. It is my opinion that since its inception there has been an organized and systematic assault by the conservatives in the United States (and in the other industrialized nations) on the civil liberties written into the US Constitution. The “War on Drugs”; “War on Terror”; “War on Communism” and a host of other wars waged by the right wing are really nothing more than a War on People&#8211;an excuse to erode civil rights to the point of non-existence. I invite you to my website devoted to raising awareness on this puritan attack on freedom: <a href="http://pltcldscsn.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://pltcldscsn.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Leon Greenwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leon Greenwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 14:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Indian sub-continent has been studying commerce for 5000 years

Us natives utterly refuse to,  and usually rely on trades handed down by families, which is getting increasingly more difficult</description>
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<p>Us natives utterly refuse to,  and usually rely on trades handed down by families, which is getting increasingly more difficult</p>
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