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		<title>By: Does Facebook Need &#8220;Taking Down?&#8221; &#171; WH00PS</title>
		<link>http://charlottegore.com/2010/05/21/the-new-front-in-the-battle-for-liberty.html/comment-page-1#comment-13646</link>
		<dc:creator>Does Facebook Need &#8220;Taking Down?&#8221; &#171; WH00PS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 May 2010 00:23:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Facebook Need &#8220;Taking&#160;Down?&#8221;  Charlotte Gore thinks so. I&#8217;m not so sure. Facebook does some nasty things to privacy, for sure. In fact, Facebook is [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Facebook Need &#8220;Taking&nbsp;Down?&#8221;  Charlotte Gore thinks so. I&#8217;m not so sure. Facebook does some nasty things to privacy, for sure. In fact, Facebook is [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ian B</title>
		<link>http://charlottegore.com/2010/05/21/the-new-front-in-the-battle-for-liberty.html/comment-page-1#comment-13488</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 May 2010 17:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The frontline in the battle for freedom remains where it always was in this country; big &quot;civil&quot; liberties come and go- the state will always find a way to arrest and ruin you if it wants one- but the battle over personal liberties is more intense than it has ever been since the late c19/early c20 heyday of the Temperance Movement.

We must expect this coalition of crusty tories and sandal wearing loonies to be the most intensely puritanical of the post-war era, and the signs on that are already clear. Clampdowns on drinking will worsen, there will be no letup- and probably intensification- of the persecution of smokers. Censorship will intensify as well, to protect the children of course.

Anyone who thinks getting rid of Labour is some kind of victory for liberty is in cloud cuckoo land.

Yeah, no ID cards. We&#039;ve been saved from one new tyranny. The old ones will continue, and get worse. It&#039;s the fight for beer and skittles that matters, as it always has.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The frontline in the battle for freedom remains where it always was in this country; big &#8220;civil&#8221; liberties come and go- the state will always find a way to arrest and ruin you if it wants one- but the battle over personal liberties is more intense than it has ever been since the late c19/early c20 heyday of the Temperance Movement.</p>
<p>We must expect this coalition of crusty tories and sandal wearing loonies to be the most intensely puritanical of the post-war era, and the signs on that are already clear. Clampdowns on drinking will worsen, there will be no letup- and probably intensification- of the persecution of smokers. Censorship will intensify as well, to protect the children of course.</p>
<p>Anyone who thinks getting rid of Labour is some kind of victory for liberty is in cloud cuckoo land.</p>
<p>Yeah, no ID cards. We&#8217;ve been saved from one new tyranny. The old ones will continue, and get worse. It&#8217;s the fight for beer and skittles that matters, as it always has.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlotte Gore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlotte Gore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 May 2010 16:30:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was on that much, I&#039;m not any more being self employed, sadly. Also, it&#039;s not just direct taxation it&#039;s indirect - vat, duties, council tax etc. It all adds up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was on that much, I&#8217;m not any more being self employed, sadly. Also, it&#8217;s not just direct taxation it&#8217;s indirect &#8211; vat, duties, council tax etc. It all adds up.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 May 2010 16:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Charlotte, 

Sorry to hear you have a fever. 

If you&#039;re on £22k a year, it&#039;s not easy to make ends meet, even before taxes (speaking as someone who moved from Yorkshire to London to start earning just below that wage) a few years ago. 

I&#039;m also a bit worried that you were on some absurd tax code - you should have been on about £17k or so after tax and NI - so you&#039;ve lost £6k down the back of the sofa somewhere!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Charlotte, </p>
<p>Sorry to hear you have a fever. </p>
<p>If you&#8217;re on £22k a year, it&#8217;s not easy to make ends meet, even before taxes (speaking as someone who moved from Yorkshire to London to start earning just below that wage) a few years ago. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m also a bit worried that you were on some absurd tax code &#8211; you should have been on about £17k or so after tax and NI &#8211; so you&#8217;ve lost £6k down the back of the sofa somewhere!</p>
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		<title>By: Charlotte Gore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlotte Gore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 May 2010 13:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>R Grey, I explicitly said that I wanted Facebook brought down by consumers, not the Government!

Millsy, by economically free I mean everything from manipulating behaviours through sin taxes, to the really big issue of the State consuming such vast quantities of the nation&#039;s wealth and output. When I was on 22k a year nearly half my income was being taken in taxes and being spent for me. That&#039;s not economic freedom - quite the opposite. It&#039;s a much bigger topic than I have space to cover in this post today though.

I probably shouldn&#039;t write while I&#039;ve got a fever, to be honest. Can&#039;t be sure how much sense I&#039;m making. :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>R Grey, I explicitly said that I wanted Facebook brought down by consumers, not the Government!</p>
<p>Millsy, by economically free I mean everything from manipulating behaviours through sin taxes, to the really big issue of the State consuming such vast quantities of the nation&#8217;s wealth and output. When I was on 22k a year nearly half my income was being taken in taxes and being spent for me. That&#8217;s not economic freedom &#8211; quite the opposite. It&#8217;s a much bigger topic than I have space to cover in this post today though.</p>
<p>I probably shouldn&#8217;t write while I&#8217;ve got a fever, to be honest. Can&#8217;t be sure how much sense I&#8217;m making. <img src='http://charlottegore.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Shaun Pilkington</title>
		<link>http://charlottegore.com/2010/05/21/the-new-front-in-the-battle-for-liberty.html/comment-page-1#comment-13475</link>
		<dc:creator>Shaun Pilkington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 May 2010 13:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone who&#039;s spent more than 10 minutes in British politics knows that it&#039;s when things are &#039;over&#039; or &#039;settled&#039; and everyone goes home feeling smug and self-satisfied, that the real decisions get made.

I want my freedom back and will continue to do so until I actually have it. Not a promise of it someday or an inquiry or committee into it, but actually getting it back. Thus far, sure, the noise is good but the delivery is nil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone who&#8217;s spent more than 10 minutes in British politics knows that it&#8217;s when things are &#8216;over&#8217; or &#8216;settled&#8217; and everyone goes home feeling smug and self-satisfied, that the real decisions get made.</p>
<p>I want my freedom back and will continue to do so until I actually have it. Not a promise of it someday or an inquiry or committee into it, but actually getting it back. Thus far, sure, the noise is good but the delivery is nil.</p>
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		<title>By: R Grey</title>
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		<dc:creator>R Grey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 May 2010 13:28:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, but i just don&#039;t see facebook as an issue, don&#039;t use it, job done.

I thought libitarians where#nt supposed to ask for the goverment to protect them, but allow the free market to work.

The digital economy act does matter, it&#039;s basicly giving people legal rights to monitor your communications (how else can it be enforced).

(excuse my drunken spelling)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, but i just don&#8217;t see facebook as an issue, don&#8217;t use it, job done.</p>
<p>I thought libitarians where#nt supposed to ask for the goverment to protect them, but allow the free market to work.</p>
<p>The digital economy act does matter, it&#8217;s basicly giving people legal rights to monitor your communications (how else can it be enforced).</p>
<p>(excuse my drunken spelling)</p>
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		<title>By: Millsy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Millsy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 May 2010 13:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are plenty of stories of people being undone by comments or pictures they&#039;ve put on Facebook - either through the obvious sources such as friends/partners or through employers.

These stories will become more and more prevalent and either Facebook rolls with the punches and changes, or people will vote with their feet.

Your post says the battle for civil liberties is mostly won (depending on what this coalition actually does) and go on to say that the battle for economic liberty has barely started.

Then you got side-tracked. What do you mean by economically free?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are plenty of stories of people being undone by comments or pictures they&#8217;ve put on Facebook &#8211; either through the obvious sources such as friends/partners or through employers.</p>
<p>These stories will become more and more prevalent and either Facebook rolls with the punches and changes, or people will vote with their feet.</p>
<p>Your post says the battle for civil liberties is mostly won (depending on what this coalition actually does) and go on to say that the battle for economic liberty has barely started.</p>
<p>Then you got side-tracked. What do you mean by economically free?</p>
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		<title>By: ejoftheweb</title>
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		<dc:creator>ejoftheweb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 May 2010 13:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes! We need to refocus our attention on corporations as threats to our liberty, and recognise that they are not always our most trustworthy allies. States and corporations are just different sorts of organisations with each of which we have to compact, as citizens or shareholders or &quot;members&quot;. Whenever it becomes close to being a necessity to deal with any sort of organisation, our liberty is compromised, so those essential - or near-essential - deals should be subject to far greater democratic scrutiny than those that are voluntary or where there is competitive choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes! We need to refocus our attention on corporations as threats to our liberty, and recognise that they are not always our most trustworthy allies. States and corporations are just different sorts of organisations with each of which we have to compact, as citizens or shareholders or &#8220;members&#8221;. Whenever it becomes close to being a necessity to deal with any sort of organisation, our liberty is compromised, so those essential &#8211; or near-essential &#8211; deals should be subject to far greater democratic scrutiny than those that are voluntary or where there is competitive choice.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlotte Gore</title>
		<link>http://charlottegore.com/2010/05/21/the-new-front-in-the-battle-for-liberty.html/comment-page-1#comment-13470</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlotte Gore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 May 2010 13:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://paidcontent.co.uk/article/419-condems-wont-repeat-uks-digital-economy-act/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Source: Condems won&#039;t repeal UK&#039;s digital economy act&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://paidcontent.co.uk/article/419-condems-wont-repeat-uks-digital-economy-act/" rel="nofollow">Source: Condems won&#8217;t repeal UK&#8217;s digital economy act</a></p>
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